ADMIN STUFF (was: MP3-spam & Previsualizing IR

["Willem-Jan Markerink" <w.j.markerink@xxxxx>]

[message sent to Phillipe Boucher, CC to list]

Dear Philippe,

I hope you realize that the combination of A) replying with a commercial 
link with  B) an excessive large unnecessary quote (including multiple 
admin footers!), and this more than once (3 different replies) 
forces me to uns_ubscribe you.
Only with an apology & plausible explanation I will let you back on, 
until then I will consider you as a spammer, sorry.

To the rest of the list also: please cut down your quotes....when 
Philippe manages to include 2 unnecessary admin-footers, it means 
someone else included 1 unnecessary admin-footer....garbage has to 
start somewhere....8-))

I might consider putting a Majordomo filter on the presence of this
admin-footer with incoming messages....this concept works already on
the EOS-list (the sister of the IR-list on the A1-server since 
this summer, having moved from it's original server in Finland (there 
since 1994)....;)), but requires an auto-bot reply to avoid delays & 
confusion. 
It also more or less forces people to put the quote in front of the 
reply, and not the other way around....see what I wrote about that 
wrong reverse quoting many moons ago:


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From:             "Willem-Jan Markerink" <w.j.markerink@xxxxx>
To:               infrared@xxxxx
Date sent:        Wed, 5 May 1999 18:31:13 +0000
Subject:          Admin stuff (was: bulk film holders, IR safe?
Send reply to:    infrared@xxxxx

Dear gang,

Lately I notice that several members are putting the quoted text
below the actual reply, which is not recommended. 
At first this might sound like silly nit-picking, but it is actual
part of Netiquette, and for more than one (good) reason, all closely
related to each other:

1) a longer thread with multiple messages/replies is very hard to 
read/edit in the reverse order of quote/reply

2) in the reverse order, you can't create a line-for-line (or
alinea-for-alinea) reply, you will have to quote all, followed by a
single alinea of reply....this is often neither efficient
(unnecessary quoting), nor to the point, making things harder to 
read.

3) if you reply on top, there is a good chance you don't even notice
how long the section is you quoted, since you hardly see it. Proof
of that is often found in the inclusion of the admin-footer, which
will then appear twice....to me, and many others, this is considered
pretty sloppy behaviour.

4) while such sloppy quoting might not affect real-time readers much, 
it is a pest for the digest....one has to skip long irrelevant sections 
to get to the next message....again very inefficient.


Some of you might still not see all this as a real problem, since
the traffic on this list isn't very high, but please keep in mind
that many members read several other mailinglists & newsgroups as
well, and all these bits of unnecessary inefficiency add up to a
considerable amount of wasted time & energy, sometimes even
resulting in  a message that gets no secondary reply at all (no
matter how relevant or necessary that reply would be....the more 
editing needed to create a sensible reply, the lower the chance of 
getting one).

So please stick to the most logical order, and keep quotes to a 
minimum, for reading & distribution efficiency.

--                 
Bye,

Willem-Jan Markerink

      The desire to understand 
is sometimes far less intelligent than
     the inability to understand

<w.j.markerink@xxxxx>
[note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]
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Lastly, for those of you wanting to reply in the right order, but 
their mail-software preventing them from doing so (conveniently), see a 
chapter on my homepage about how to change these settings in some 
mail-clients:

http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/quot_ord.txt


--                 
Bye,

Willem-Jan Markerink

      The desire to understand 
is sometimes far less intelligent than
     the inability to understand

<w.j.markerink@xxxxx>
[note: 'a-one' & 'en-el'!]
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