Re: I am having a good time about Linhof 617 discussions I started.

[Steve Shapiro <sgshiya@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

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From: gary irving <panolux@xxxxxxxx>
To: panorama-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <panorama-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Monday, November 23, 1998 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: I am having a good time about Linhof 617 discussions I started.


Alan Zinn wrote:
>
> >I agree, with a rotational camera you can take distortion free photos.
Yes,
> >but there is a catch: the scenery has to cooperate with you, like a river
in
> >front, or large mountains, fields, etc. That is: as long as the
foreground is
> >kind of the same stuff, like flowers, water, etc.
>
> Mr. Degroot,
> Now wait a minute! The rotational camera gives an opportunity to escape
the
> rigid rectangular point of view. Why should pictures that are not in a
> conventional square be considered distorted? If you look out over the
> history of art you will see that the rectangular picture is a relatively
> recent Western convention. You are just not looking at other ways of
> presenting a view. Think of asian scrolls and pre renascence art. There
are
> endless ways to depict space and time. Don't be a square!
>
> Regards,
> AZ
>
> >The botom line is this:
> >
> >It doesn't matter, as long as you are happy with the results, and as long
as
> >you can give joy to others.
> >
> >Just never take pictures with a camera that works against your own
personal
> >artistic vision.
> >
> >Different visions is not like apples and oranges, even though cameras are
> >externally. What matters is the internal unique vision. The camera is
merely
> >an instrument by which to express this vision. For me that is mostly the
1:3
> >non-rotational camera vision.
> >
> >Photography happens first in the heart and mind, secondly with the
camera. But
> >the camera must be part of this unity.
> >
> >Happy shooting!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Lookaround Cameras are more fun.
>
> See cameras and pictures at:
> http://www.keva.com/lookaround
> http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/8874
>
> Also at Cafe Society Gallery:
> http://www.curdev.hull.ac.uk/root/cafe/cafegal.htm

Hey AZ!

Last I looked,rotational prints dont rotate,but are stationary within a
RECTANGLE.Hmmm. So wheres the great escape?It seems to me that the
novelty of seeing the bending distorted image gets old rather quickly.It
gets in the way of seeing rather than invisibly facilitating a
photographers vision.

Rotational imagery ,in my opinion, runs counter to the great adage:LESS
IS MORE!

GMI

Mr. Gary,

By your statements above, I can't tell which one you are calling novel with
a bended, distorted image.

I found when I use clear lenses, like the Schneider or Goerz patent types,
it's magnificently distorted; but with my older lenses, like the Turner
Reich or B&L Rapid Rectilinear that vignette or comma with movements the
cirkit images are clear.  Sometimes I go for the verdigo effect with a
sweeping panorama and sometimes, as with a group of goats, or people I want
the facews expressive and without distortion.

I'm a lens person and a recent contact print maniac and I see nothing but
price tags on those snapper tools.  Sometimes, photography is a matter of
throwing money at a wall and hoping something will stick.

Without an inner vision take a pin and poke a box of film.  ^!^

S. Shapiro

will everyone please say hello to Jon, the Cafe Society
What a great job of transporting us to the Burning Man, he did with his
crew.