Re: Simon: Nazi Colors

[Steve Shapiro <sgshiya@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

My take is, we become as enamored with the story of the photograph as much
as the technique on it.

Steve
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From: dusariez <dusariez.pano.optic@xxxxxxxxx>
To: panorama-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <panorama-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 4:05 AM
Subject: Re: Simon: Nazi Colors


>Please will somebody explain to me what comes, in this panoramic exchange
>list, do the NAZI COLORS saga ? Maybe am I to, low in english reading (my
>mothertongue is french) or simplly too stupid. Thanks in advance for any
>reply. Michel DUSARIEZ
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>>Simon,   I hope I don't get to many radicals coming out of the wood-work
>>with this one! but your mention of 'nazi colors' reminded me of an
>>encounter with single mindedness that I can't not pass on.
>> I was on the island of Ebeye, at Kwajalein Lagoon, where the USArmy
>>still
>>shoots ICBM's from Calif. (did you ever get to Kwaj' or Ebeye?  You know,
I
>>may have been crew on one of your C-130 Typhoon Chaser flights with the
>>54th Weather Squadron out of Guam). In Kwaj I met a German fellow who is a
>>world-class (his statement) model builder.  He was 12y.o. at the end of
>>WWII and the American occupation.  He became enamoured with the German
>>Battleship Prinz Eugen, which was involved in the battle which sank the
>>British ship HMS Hood. According to German gentleman (who I'll call Fred
to
>>make things easier) the Prinz Eugen hit the Hood first, and it may have
>>been fires caused by P.E. hit that caused the HMS Hood to explode, NOT a
>>hit from the Bismark. It was better(?) PR for both UK and Hitler to claim
>>that the Hood was sunk by Bismark rather than possibly the Prinz Eugen.
>>Fred built a 1/100 scale model of the PE which was detailed very well. He
>>finally decided he must visit the watery grave of the PE to see it
himself.
>>Turns out the PE was captured at the end of WWII, towed to USA where it
was
>>repaired and then sailed with a mixed US/German crew to Majuro in the
>>Marshall Is. It eventually was used as a test ship in TWO A-Bomb blasts,
>>reportedly within one mile of ground zero.  The P.E. did NOT sink!.  US
>>towed the now glowing (just a joke!?) ship to Kwajalein for atomic decay
>>testing. There it began to leak. They tried to save it by running aground
>>on an island in the lagoon but only the stern got to the island slope
>>before the ship wouldn't move. The stern sank, water went to the bow, the
>>bow sank and the ship flipped upside-down as it slid down the underwater
>>slope of the island a bit. Today the stern stick out about 20 feet with
the
>>bow at about 110 feet, all upside down.  Very strange to dive. One of the
>>BIG props still stick up out of the water. So Fred comes to Kwaj' (where
>>you can't stay unless you are military) and ends up in a tiny 0-Star
(makes
>>Motel 6 look like the Taj Mahal) on the sad island of Ebey where the US
>>Army has shoved all the people they pushed off the home island of Kwaj'
>>(all in the same Lagoon, but NO water on Ebey! you can throw a rock in
>>ocean on both sides, and about 6000 people live in a place about 4 blocks
>>square with no place more than 6 feet above sea-level.  Typhoons are no
fun.
>> Fred has copies of the original TOP SECRET plans of the ship when
>>we meet
>>him at lunch after diving with our local guide who is Japanese/Marshall
>>Islander/Scotch!, name of Hideo, who knows the ship inside and out.
>> Fred has just flooded his borrowed video camera and asks for pics
>>from me.
>> I agree to shoot him on the ship the next day.  We arrive only to have
him
>>unfurl a HUGE swastika flag while standing on the upthrust propeller
shaft:
>>
>>http://www.guam.net/indepth/kwajlan/ebeye/
>>
>>and later with him standing on the bottom at the stern of the ship.
>>
>> He Says:  "I'm claiming the flag for the Third Reich!"
>>
>> "I don't think that's possible," I say, as to the best of my
>>knowledge it
>>doesn't EXIST!
>>
>> Later we talk about islanders and politics, with Fred saying that the
>>Marshallese islanders deserved to be over-run by the USA, that they should
>>have been tougher and fought for what they believed (BTW: Fred now lives
in
>>S. Fla! USA). I pointed out that at the end of WWII that the Russians want
>>to transport everyone with more than a high-school education to the prison
>>camps, effectively destroying Germany, and that it was the same Americans
>>that had mistreated the Marshall Islanders that saved the Germans from the
>>Russians.
>> Nothing is black and white except lithographs.
>>
>>Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:58:29 -0500
>>From: Simon Nathan <simonwide@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>Subject: Re: Web Page
>>To: panorama-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Monica Rotgans <monicar@xxxxxxxxx>
>>Reply-to: X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I)
>>
>>dear tony-thank you for your support!
>>
>>Tony wrote:
>>This forum has got a deal more interesting since Simon joined it. This guy
>>is a veritable goldmine of photography information. I don't mind the fancy
>>fonts at all so long as I can read them.
>>
>>I'd love to see Simon do a web site too.  Can't some of you guys in U.S.
>>help him if he's willing? i simply don't understand it yet. sfo-jesse has
a
>>nifty page and i saw it for the first time today. i complimented him
>>directly lest anyone find something to resent or obsess about. i have
>>written about offering a color of ju-52 in nazi colors   to german
aviation
>>group  but know where i sent it. it was about 10fps highspeed simon/wide.
>>film runs horizontally. rotary shutter, hulcher built 12 years befor first
>>hulcherama. two camera are not related, just in same sentence. trannie
(and
>>i am smiling) about same as imax format. the fonts are not fancy. they are
>>large so i can read them, that's what. in fact i cannot  write long hand.
>>i am glad to share what i have learned from others because didn't i have
>>help from masahiko fuketa at nikon  in japan and life photog late george
>>strock and frits rotgans of holland. there is wonder lesson from frits
>>selling his business and the guy thought  if he had frits' camera he'd
have
>>frits' magic. what's the dutch word for hmmmpf? simon nathan
>>
>>
>>
>>My 2 cents
>>
>>Tony Andrews
>>
>>At 09:16 PM 2/17/1999 +0000, you wrote:
>>>Please avoid all this fancy letter crap and discuss photography
>>
>>At Your Service,
>>                         Mitch Warner
>>
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