Re: IAPP good/bad : keep you fight, I am out of here!

[Dale L Dickerson <therevdd@xxxxxxxx>]

I am on the panorama-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx list because I am interested in
Panorama photography. I am not interested in your IAPP matter pro nor
con. 

I am out of here.

Dale

On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 16:50:43 -0500 Richard Schneider
<richard.schneider@xxxxxxxx> writes:
> Dear Bob,
> 
> I do not believe that this panorama list serve is necessarily the 
> right place to air your personal grievances against IAPP. That being 
> said however, I believe that several points you make warrant a 
> rebuttal. The subscribers deserve that much.
> 
> Michel's angry e-mail was sent to the IAPP Board and a few others 
> and was titled, "Open Letter to IAPP Members". Fair enough. I did 
> not read where it said that he wanted his letter posted on your 
> (non-IAPP) web site. I for one, have proposed to the Board that 
> "Letters to the Editor" be re-introduced to the magazine. That might 
> have been a better forum for an IAPP member to air their complaints 
> and perhaps get them solved in a calm and orderly way. I don't 
> understand why Michel had to resign with such haste.
> 
> Being the editor of the 2001 IAPP Network, I responded to Michel's 
> e-mail directly. I addressed his problems and offered explanations. 
> My wish was that he reconsider his decision to leave the 
> organization. He refuses, complaining among other things of "amateur 
> work" of the IAPP, which included such transgressions as 
> hand-writing his address on envelopes and sending him photocopies of 
> out-of-print magazines. I guess I shouldn't have sent him anything. 
> I think Michel's decision was unfortunate. He is a valuable member 
> of the panoramic imaging community.
> 
> Regarding your comments in your "Open Letter to IAPP Members", let 
> me address them one by one.
> 
> 1st paragraph: First and foremost. Michel Dusariez was NEVER "black 
> listed from IAPP Membership". If he had been, how would you explain 
> his receiving magazines, the Network and other publications? If he 
> were "black listed" why would I be trying to contact and hopefully 
> make peace with him? Secondly, regarding your own claim of being 
> "black listed", the list serve membership should be aware that for 
> the 2000 calendar year you were a member in good standing in IAPP. 
> You paid your dues. Your entry is in the 2000 Membership Directory. 
> Your membership renewal form for 2000 is  in the IAPP records.
> 
> 1st paragraph - point two: You bring up a personal situation you had 
> with Addie that is several years old and should not have been 
> broadcast to the world. There are two sides to every story but quite 
> frankly, I don't think the subscribers here are eager to hear them!
> 
> 2nd paragraph: If you remember, you nominated me from the floor at 
> the 1998 Moab Convention. I was not originally on the ballot. I 
> wasn't on Addie's or anyone else's list. Yet I was elected to be a 
> Director. The manner in which ballots are drawn may not be perfect, 
> but they are consistent with IAPP bylaws. If you want to reform the 
> system, you need to work to change the rules the system follows. I 
> am working towards that goal. 
> 
> 2nd paragraph - point two: You again mislead your readers with your 
> expression, "being kicked out of IAPP." Once again, for the 2000 
> calendar year you were a member in good standing in IAPP. I am 
> unsure about the situation in 1999. If you were indeed not a member 
> then, it likely had to do with your personal situation with Fred and 
> Jean Yake. 
> It was not because you were "black listed" and once again, you 
> renewed your membership last year, even with Jean Yake being 
> Secretary at the time.
> 
> 3rd paragraph: Peter Lorber did not "self declare" himself 
> President-elect. Upon the sudden and highly unusual circumstance of 
> the resignation of Everen Brown (President-elect) AND Jean Yake 
> (Secretary / Treasurer) in March 2000, the remaining Board members 
> voted and eventually filled the vacancies with Peter Lorber and 
> myself, respectively. I believe their overriding concern was to hold 
> IAPP together during this difficult period. They succeeded. The 
> method of selecting Mr. Lorber may not have seemed democratic to 
> you, but it was not inconsistent with Robert's Rules of Order 
> either. These are the parliamentary rules that help govern our 
> association.
> 
> 4th paragraph: The term "Network" is a generic one and refers to 
> communication between people and businesses that have a mutual 
> interest. The use of the word was in no way meant to confuse the 
> public as to whose panoramic organization was whose. Besides, the 
> booklet was titled. "IAPP Membership Network 2001", not "Panoramic 
> Network". The title obviously refers to a network composed of IAPP 
> members and in no way tries to undermine your on-line club.
> 
> Several months ago when we last spoke, you remarked that you had a 
> bottle of champagne you were going to open once your club surpassed 
> IAPP in terms of membership. That remark always struck me as 
> mean-spirited. It seemed to be coming from a man not interested in 
> reforming IAPP, but destroying it. Now you call your club a "rival" 
> to IAPP. It seems to me that no matter what IAPP does to reform 
> itself, you will always boycott it. 
> 
> The subscribers of this list serve will need to sort all this out 
> for themselves, now that so much has been said. Let it be known 
> however, that you personally, are welcome to renew your membership 
> for the 2001 calendar year and for any year afterwards. As 
> Secretary, I do not keep a "black list".
> 
> Despite having some faults - as every organization does, IAPP 
> remains an organization committed to education, promotion and 
> exchanging artistic and technical ideas, and to the free sharing of 
> information, and to the expansion of public awareness regarding 
> Panoramic Photography (adapted from Article II of the IAPP Bylaws).
> 
> Finally and on a personal note, I sir, will boycott your on-line 
> club until "honesty" has been returned to your business practices. 
> What I mean is that I will maintain this personal boycott until a 
> proper photo credit is given to ALL the early 20th Century 
> photographers whose images you obtained from the Library of Congress 
> are now trying to auction off on eBay. I have no problem with 
> commerce. But give credit where credit is due.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Richard Schneider
> IAPP Secretary / Treasurer
> 
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