Re: Opinions... Dan Shelley again, OH NO!!! =)

[P3D Shelley, Dan <dshelley@xxxxxxxx>]

Sam said:
>Dan. It's the first one I've heard in a
>long time that I've agreed with. Why 
>are you even bothering to stifle those
>who have opinions? There are no 
>absolute facts on this list, as there is
>never a single item that could not be 
>debated. By definition even THAT is
>not FACT !

Sam, do you really read my posts? Have you read others posts about the 
subject? I do not think I have stifled anything in that there have been 
so many responses... A re-write might be in order for you and others 
who still do not understand where I am coming from. (Amazingly, some 
have been able to clearly understand my posts... =) ) I was attempting 
to say something along the lines of:

"There is a large variety of viable stereoscopic (3D) image delivery 
(taking or presenting) systems. Some you may have NOT EVER tried yet. 
Put simply, please don't use this forum to say that any one is better 
than another until you are in a position do to so based on experience 
with all the systems, and armed with facts."

Notice, I am not saying anything about any system being better than any 
other...YET. I can't tell you or anyone else what is better, because 
that is a decision that needs to be made by the individual. This leaves 
plenty of room for discussions bout opinions, but requests that blanket 
statements be controlled a bit... Simply requesting some discipline...

I will add that I am with Larry RE what I happen to enjoy the most 
right now... Until you have seen the Total 3D video board and the 
corresponding full screen, flicker free 3D images it can present (JPS), 
you have not seen one of the better 3D image presentation possibilities 
IMHO. Until such time, I think it's dangerous to make statements about 
what is best or not...

>I enjoy PHOTO 3D for BOTH facts AND 
>opinions. You can't have one without the
>other. I do not enjoy whiners. Dr. T has 
>opinions, facts, jokes and jibbs. A
>perfect balance in my opinion, like it or not!

Funny how you claim to not enjoy whiners, by whining about it. ;-) 

To be clear, I greatly respect Dr. T, and the add a tremendous amount 
of value his post add to this list. No, we don't always agree, but that 
has been the basis for some good discussions I think (most of the time 
anyway...). This whole thread isn't about him or anyone else, it's 
about an idea! No one is "whining" about it, just concerned that some 
measure of care be taken as words are chosen to be used in presenting 
thoughts and opinions in this list. 

George later said:
>Dan is simply reading my postings 
>trying to uncover hidden slide film 
>propaganda messages and expose 
>them in favor of prints, claiming freedom 
>of stereo imaging expression...  That's 
>my opinion, needless to say... :)

I have specifically chosen words (maybe I am not doing it very well! 
;-) !!) to highlight the fact that I am concerned about the use of over 
generalizations on this list... Not just about slide film...Messages 
that say things similar to "all loreos produce poor images" or "slides 
are  the best" or "digital can't do it" or "my viewer is better than 
yours" do not benefit anyone. I love discussion, and the sharing of 
information that Photo-3D allows, but the occasional message that posts 
(for eternity in the searchable digests) an opinion stated as fact, 
undermines the overall value of the list... IMHO. 

I will not continue this thread. I think my position is clear. If 
anyone still thinks I am counter discussion, or that I have some 
alternate agenda... ???

Dan Shelley
dshelley@xxxxxxxx


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