P3D Re: your comments about my comments

["Xal razutis" <razutis@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Lincoln,
Thanks for your clarifications. I don't agree with anyone stealing from 
anyone else, and I hope this issue is re-addressed by Tetratel's Ken.  
That's why I sent him the copies of the digest (to answer).

I am aware of this company for the past couple of years, I have seen/tested 
their viewing hardware both at C3D and isee3d.com, I have published 
images/videos/texts for years on the web (you can see my works at 
http://www.holonet.khm.de/visual_alchemy/index.html)
and I am keenly aware that any images posted on the web can (and do) end up 
somewhere else.  My videotapes have been pirated, my films have been copied, 
but I don't spend all my time tracking down perpetrators.
Sometimes I come across interesting images that are un-signed, and if/when I 
find the authors I try to contact them.

As for 'defending' this company, I am pointing out that their interests are 
useful to the evolution of 3D. I don't believe everything that Ray writes, 
and neither do I believe that publishing personal e-mail on a international 
list is kosher.  When list readers start to propose a boycott of a company 
(without hearing/reading more than a fragment) then we have mob rule.  When 
I get personally attacked for expressing ideas we have more mob rule (like 
the 'Teri' experience of December and January).

What I value about P3D is the diversity of views, knowlege, experience.

I agree that the past of 3D should not be denigrated, since it is on those 
shoulders that we have come to the present.  I also believe that 3D is a lot 
bigger than the individual cliques that reside in P3D and that some 
individuals have become accustomed to using the list as a personal chat-line 
(greetings, gripes, sales pitches) which contradicts the international and 
disparate nature of its subscribers.

On the issue of Tetratel, Isee3D.com, and even Vrex, there is a lot more to 
Ray's involvement (and disaffection) than a simple 'image' represents. He 
was listed as a contributor early on, then suddenly (presumably from a 
disagreement) dropped.  Let's see what additional facts are brought to 
light. Better in the public light than in the self-censored chat room.

Al Razutis

>From: L <jet_lk@xxxxxxxxx>
>To: razutis@xxxxxxxxxxx
>CC: photo-3d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: your comments about my comments
>Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:18:41 -0800 (PST)
>
>When I wrote:
>
> >I am really sick of people that think 3-D
> >is a great way to scam people out of money, but they
> >don't even do there one stereo stuff, and obviously
> >don't care about those of us that do.
> >
>
>I was refering to the "gallery" that they have on the
>web.  The STOLE other's images, instead of using there
>own.  And when I said they are bad for 3-D, It is
>because they are misinforming the public about other
>forms of stereo viewing with the intent to "trick"
>them into using there format.  They claimed that
>stereo movies were not in full color, and were
>anaglyph, which is just not true in the least.  If
>they do the tiniest bit of actuall research they would
>have found that not to be true.  IT IS BAD FOR 3-D TO
>TALK BADLY ABOUT THE PAST OF 3-D"
>
>It is nice that they have someone (you) defending them
>on this list, but do you have any understanding of
>those who complained?  Have you ever put your images
>on the web?  Have they ever been taken without your
>permission.  There and have been dozens of companies
>just like the one we have been discussing.  You
>mentioned, "These retail for low prices and are high
>quality/low cost items.".  Do you know that for a fact
>(are you a proud owner of the product), or are you
>just quoting thier web site.
>
>Do you feel some sort of moral obligation to defend an
>"on this list, defenseless" company against a few
>individual artists that have been taken advantage of
>by companies for years.  And you say that we are on a
>soap box.
>
>Lincoln
>
>


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