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Re: [photo-3d] Digest Number 60
- From: Olivier Cahen <o_cahen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: [photo-3d] Digest Number 60
- Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 22:09:00 +0200
photo-3d@xxxxxxxxxxx a écrit :
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> There are 25 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. RBT Folding Viewer
> From: markaren@xxxxxxxxx
> 2. sync check
> From: "ron labbe" <ron@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 3. 6x13 glass plate cameras
> From: Robert Thorpe <thorpe@xxxxxxxx>
> 4. anaglyphs
> From: Stephen Rumbaugh <gandamill@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 5. Re: anaglyphs
> From: "Dan Shelley" <dshelley@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 6. Re: Ricoh XR10M Synch
> From: King3ddd@xxxxxxx
> 7. Re: Re: Ricoh XR10M Synch
> From: Peter Davis <pd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 8. NSA Roomies--Cheap Digs
> From: leroyddd@xxxxxxx
> 9. 1999 Success Stories
> From: MarkKernes@xxxxxxx
> 10. Re: 6x13 glass plate cameras
> From: Brian Reynolds <reynolds@xxxxxxxxx>
> 11. Re: Re: Ricoh XR10M Synch
> From: Brian Reynolds <reynolds@xxxxxxxxx>
> 12. Re: Re: Ricoh XR10M Synch
> From: "Dr. George A. Themelis" <drt-3d@xxxxxxx>
> 13. Re: Fw: Twinnable SLR's
> From: Oliver Dean <3d-image@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 14. Unusual stereoview card format
> From: Ralph Johnston/Linda Sherman <copley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 15. Re: Unusual stereoview card format
> From: "Dan Shelley" <dshelley@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 16. United Ricoh KR-10 Supers
> From: Klaas Morcus <k.morcus@xxxxxx>
> 17. Re: WTB: Casio QV8000SX repair manual
> From: Steve Berezin <sbere@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 18. Re: United Ricoh KR-10 Supers
> From: "Dan Shelley" <dshelley@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 19. Re: United Ricoh KR-10 Supers
> From: Peter Davis <pd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 20. Re: 6x13 glass plate cameras
> From: Oliver Dean <3d-image@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 21. Re: United Ricoh KR-10 Supers
> From: Klaas Morcus <k.morcus@xxxxxx>
> 22. Re: United Ricoh KR-10 Supers
> From: Klaas Morcus <k.morcus@xxxxxx>
> 23. virus
> From: "edd" <edd.thompson@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 24. Re: [poor man's red button
> From: JNorman805@xxxxxxx
> 25. slide duping film
> From: JNorman805@xxxxxxx
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 06:58:10 -0400 (EDT)
> From: markaren@xxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RBT Folding Viewer
>
> Yes, the diffuser is to close to the image. Even while viewing toward a
> lightbox, the diffuser grain is apparent. By removing the diffuser, the
> images look better, and you gain the additional benefit of using the
> viewer and light table to quickly preview 2x2 pairs.
> I believe some Viewmasters have this diffuser problem also.
> Mark Dottle
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 08:35:05 -0400
> From: "ron labbe" <ron@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: sync check
>
> Allan Griffin:
>
> I liked your sync test using the television as an oscilloscope... but one
> can't do that in a store!
> What about just opening the backs and apertures, and seeing how both cameras
> sync to an external flash (by visual inspection of flash through cameras)?
> If the sync there is good, wouldn't it be a good bet that high speeds are
> reasonably good (and vice versa)?
>
> ron
>
> ron labbe
> studio 3D
> 30 glendale st
> maynard, ma 01754 phone/fax 978 897-4221
>
> mailto:ron@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> http://www.studio3d.com
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 07:56:16 -0500
> From: Robert Thorpe <thorpe@xxxxxxxx>
> Subject: 6x13 glass plate cameras
>
> >From time to time, at shows or on Ebay, you can find old
> 6x13 glass plate cameras for sale. I'm sure there is no
> ready-made source for 6x13 glass plates these days, but
> is anyone cutting their own plates? 6x13cm works out to
> about 2 3/8 x 5 1/8 inches. Close enough that you could
> probably cut a 4x5 glass plate and make it work. I think
> you can still get 4x5 glass plates can't you?
>
> If anyone is doing something like this, I would like to
> hear about your experiences.
>
> ======================
> Robert Thorpe
> Cedar Rapids, IA
> thorpe@xxxxxxxx
> http://www.skep.com
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 06:17:27 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Stephen Rumbaugh <gandamill@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: anaglyphs
>
> I would like to see if anyone here has a website containing anaglyphs that
> they have taken... I'm working on getting a gallery up of my own, but I'm
> not quite ready.
>
> Steve
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 07:18:58 -0600
> From: "Dan Shelley" <dshelley@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: anaglyphs
>
> There are many... I have a gallery of my own that is going to be replaced
> soon, and there are about 100 links to sites with Anaglyphs on my site as
> well. Have a look:
>
> http://www.dddesign.com
>
> Dan Shelley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Rumbaugh <gandamill@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: photo-3d@xxxxxxxxxxx <photo-3d@xxxxxxxxxxx>; photo-3d@xxxxxxxxxxx
> <photo-3d@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Thursday, April 20, 2000 7:17 AM
> Subject: [photo-3d] anaglyphs
>
> >
> >I would like to see if anyone here has a website containing anaglyphs that
> >they have taken... I'm working on getting a gallery up of my own, but I'm
> >not quite ready.
> >
> >Steve
> >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:00:55 EDT
> From: King3ddd@xxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Ricoh XR10M Synch
>
> In a message dated 00-04-20 05:29:19 EDT, Allan Griffin writes
>
> << Thanks for the good summary on the Ricoh range, Gary.
> You are well up speed on the subject. The fact that you
> say that ALL combinations of your stable of XR-10Ms
> give a synch result which is just fine, is very interesting.
> I can only respond by saying that you are either a very
> lucky guy or you don't shoot subjects which move very
> much or very fast. Can you tell us on what basis you say
> that the synch is just fine?
> >>
>
> Gary is a friend of mine and told me about the Ricoh XR10Ms a couple of years
> ago and I have since helped about 12 people in the New York City area obtain
> this great camera. I now have 5 bodies and I also find that they all synch,
> as far as I can tell, 100%!, including with flash. I have shot such subjects
> as waterfalls, birds in flight, people running, cars speeding by, fireworks,
> sporting events, etc. and have never had even the slighest synch problem.
> Perhaps those that find a synch problem are just confusing that with the
> "wake up" feature, which will throw the pictures a fraction of a second out
> of synch if both cameras are not "woken" prior to shooting. I would like to
> hardwire the cameras, which seems fairly simple based on Ray Moxom's various
> postings, but never having worked on a camera, I would need more detailed
> descriptions. If anyone can help in this area I would appreciate it, as the
> electronic cable connection is not built to withstand the constant use it
> gets with this 3D application for which Ricoh never intended and the socket
> can get loose. All those who have obtained this system on my recommendation
> are extremely pleased and have not noticed any synch problem. I high
> recommend the Ricoh XR10Ms as an inexpensive and reliable way to shoot full
> frame 3D.
>
> Sheldon Aronowitz
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:10:25 -0400
> From: Peter Davis <pd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Re: Ricoh XR10M Synch
>
> Isn't this a manual focus camera? I don't understand how you can shoot
> fast moving subjects if you have to focus both cameras manually. Am I
> missing something?
>
> If this is NOT a problem, how easily and cheaply can these cameras be
> had? I've been using a twin Ricoh Shotmaster II rig which I really like,
> but I'd like to upgrade to a more robust, flexible camera.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -pd
>
> At 12:00 PM 4/20/00, you wrote:
> >In a message dated 00-04-20 05:29:19 EDT, Allan Griffin writes
> >
> ><< Thanks for the good summary on the Ricoh range, Gary.
> > You are well up speed on the subject. The fact that you
> > say that ALL combinations of your stable of XR-10Ms
> > give a synch result which is just fine, is very interesting.
> > I can only respond by saying that you are either a very
> > lucky guy or you don't shoot subjects which move very
> > much or very fast. Can you tell us on what basis you say
> > that the synch is just fine?
> > >>
> >
> >Gary is a friend of mine and told me about the Ricoh XR10Ms a couple of years
> >ago and I have since helped about 12 people in the New York City area obtain
> >this great camera. I now have 5 bodies and I also find that they all synch,
> >as far as I can tell, 100%!, including with flash. I have shot such subjects
> >as waterfalls, birds in flight, people running, cars speeding by, fireworks,
> >sporting events, etc. and have never had even the slighest synch problem.
> >Perhaps those that find a synch problem are just confusing that with the
> >"wake up" feature, which will throw the pictures a fraction of a second out
> >of synch if both cameras are not "woken" prior to shooting. I would like to
> >hardwire the cameras, which seems fairly simple based on Ray Moxom's various
> >postings, but never having worked on a camera, I would need more detailed
> >descriptions. If anyone can help in this area I would appreciate it, as the
> >electronic cable connection is not built to withstand the constant use it
> >gets with this 3D application for which Ricoh never intended and the socket
> >can get loose. All those who have obtained this system on my recommendation
> >are extremely pleased and have not noticed any synch problem. I high
> >recommend the Ricoh XR10Ms as an inexpensive and reliable way to shoot full
> >frame 3D.
> >
> >Sheldon Aronowitz
>
> --------
> Peter Davis
> Funny stuff at http://www.pfdstudio.com
> "The artwork formerly shown as prints."
> Resources for children's writers & illustrators:
> http://www.pfdstudio.com/cwrl.html
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:11:20 EDT
> From: leroyddd@xxxxxxx
> Subject: NSA Roomies--Cheap Digs
>
> Well, for the first time in two conventions, I've not had spouse/family
> sharing NSA with me. (Good points and bad points and off topic! :=))
>
> So I'd like to offer room sharing at the Sheraton Mesa. Three more guys
> (or gals OK if into non-complex bathroom scheduling) will bring the housing
> costs down and liberate more $US for 3-D purchases. Maybe even sleeping bag
> arrangements for one or two additional!
>
> Right now it's $68(plus any additional person fee) divided by 2, 3, 4,
> etc. Think of it this way, the convention is so packed with things to do, you
> don't spend much time in the room... and so much of that is 3-D
> "conferencing" that you sleep like a rock.
>
> Since I'm driving, I may bring my Victrola 4-7 Orthophonic and a crate
> of pre-WWII 78s for entertainment. I don't know if that's a plus or minus for
> you... we don't HAVE TO play it! :=)
>
> Let me know your time frame... since I'm driving, I could even pick you
> up at the air/bus/train terminal!
>
> Thanx,
> LeRoy
>
> LeRoy Barco
> LeRoyDDD@xxxxxxx
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:17:41 EDT
> From: MarkKernes@xxxxxxx
> Subject: 1999 Success Stories
>
> In a message dated 4/8/00 6:34:48 PM, Dr. T. Writes:
>
> > An opportunity for me to organize my records. According
>
> > to my records, in 1999 I processed 162 rolls of stereo slide
>
> > film, for a processing cost of $1421. >>
>
> Dang - you beat me, and I do this for a living (well, sort of). Only did 158
> rolls in '99, but thankfully, my boss pays for the processing. On the other
> hand, decent mounts (or even the slip-ins I mostly use) still make it
> expensive - and the boss DOESN'T pay for mounts.
>
> Mark Kernes
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:26:17 -0400
> From: Brian Reynolds <reynolds@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: 6x13 glass plate cameras
>
> Robert Thorpe wrote:
> > From time to time, at shows or on Ebay, you can find old
> > 6x13 glass plate cameras for sale. I'm sure there is no
> > ready-made source for 6x13 glass plates these days, but
> > is anyone cutting their own plates? 6x13cm works out to
> > about 2 3/8 x 5 1/8 inches. Close enough that you could
> > probably cut a 4x5 glass plate and make it work. I think
> > you can still get 4x5 glass plates can't you?
> >
> > If anyone is doing something like this, I would like to
> > hear about your experiences.
> >
>
> Glass plates are still used by astronomers (for astrometry, where
> precise measurements of the positions of stars requires that the
> imaging medium not change shape or size with climatic changes) and
> holographers.
>
> Kodak T-Max and Tech Pan are both available as glass plates, as well
> as some more specialized emulsions. Glass plates are expensive and
> you'll probably have to special order them.
>
> By the way Kodak (and probably others as well) will make just about
> anything you want if you meet a (large) minimum order. Freestyle
> Sales Company recently placed a minimum order of Azo (a contact
> printing paper) in order to keep it in production.
>
> You'd probably be better off trying to find or build a roll film
> adapter for a plate camera. Doug Bardell's home page
> <URL:http://www.cyberbeach.net/~dbardell/> shows some roll film backs
> he has made for various cameras he has built.
>
> --
> Brian Reynolds | "Dee Dee! Don't touch that button!"
> reynolds@xxxxxxxxx | "Oooh!"
> http://www.panix.com/~reynolds | -- Dexter and Dee Dee
> NAR# 54438 | "Dexter's Laboratory"
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:00:11 -0400
> From: Brian Reynolds <reynolds@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Re: Ricoh XR10M Synch
>
> Peter Davis wrote:
> > Isn't this a manual focus camera? I don't understand how you can shoot
> > fast moving subjects if you have to focus both cameras manually. Am I
> > missing something?
> >
>
> I would assume that you would do what people did before autofocus
> cameras and pre-focus. Depending on your subject you may have a good
> idea of where they'll be for the most dramatic composition. Focus on
> that spot and wait for the action to happen.
>
> With a little ingenuity you could link the lenses together to focus
> simultaneously. The ball and socket fittings that R/C modelers use
> for their controls would probably be useful. A tight wide rubber band
> might do if you don't want to modify the lenses.
>
> Once the lenses are linked you can focus as you pan the camera with
> the action.
>
> --
> Brian Reynolds | "Dee Dee! Don't touch that button!"
> reynolds@xxxxxxxxx | "Oooh!"
> http://www.panix.com/~reynolds | -- Dexter and Dee Dee
> NAR# 54438 | "Dexter's Laboratory"
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:43:41 -0400
> From: "Dr. George A. Themelis" <drt-3d@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Re: Ricoh XR10M Synch
>
> >I don't understand how you can shoot fast moving subjects
> >if you have to focus both cameras manually.
>
> No problem if the subjects are moving ON the focus plane.
>
> Example: In Sea World I took pictures of moving whales
> dolphins and trainers, with twin Minoltas X700 and 135mm
> lenses. The subjects were moving up and down but they
> were at a constant distance from me.
>
> George
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:24:02 -0700
> From: Oliver Dean <3d-image@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Fw: Twinnable SLR's
>
> Hi, Allan!
>
> Allan Griffin wrote:
>
> > My goal is to get a pair that is within 0-2ms variation 80% of
> > the time. Sometimes one has to settle for this at say 70% of the
> > time!
> >
> > The testing system for the above is very simple. The time to test
> > is at point of purchase. Once you have bought your cameras, its
> > really too damed late to fix them (or you have been extremely
> > lucky) without going in for internal master/slave surgery, rigging
> > an electroic synch box or the like.
> >
> > If there is sufficient interest, the above can be explored further.
>
> Yes, I for one, am interested in how you can do this simply without
> wasting a lot of time in the store!
>
> Cordially,
> Oliver Dean
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:56:37 -0400
> From: Ralph Johnston/Linda Sherman <copley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Unusual stereoview card format
>
> I just uploaded a scan of an SV card with two pairs of photos of cats
> (which I collect and just bought on e-Bay). But this one has small real
> photos with two different spacings, 73mm and 69mm and is billed as "AN 28
> (35450) Keystone Eye-Skill Training Series".
>
> Point your Navigator/Explorer to:
>
> http://www.egroups.com/files/photo-3d/cats+Keyston+eye-skill.jpg
>
> These appear magnified x2 on my 768 x 1024 screen so you won't be able to
> view them without an "Alan Lewis Freeviewers Assistant" viewer. The
> VueMagic PV6x6 side-by-side viewer also works but not as well because the
> spacing a not quite large enough.
>
> There is a "|" on the left image and a "-" on the right which should appear
> as a "+" when you have your eyes adjusted properly for viewing.
>
> Question? Are you supposed to view this card without a viewer? At what
> distance? Maybe with magnification only -no prism?
> Is this for people with crossed or wall eyes? The text on the back refers
> to a "Telebinocular" and a "Stereoscope at 0.6 delta".
>
> Hope someone can help me out.
>
> Regards -Ralph
> *****************************************************************
> * Linda Sherman/Ralph Johnston
> * WEB PAGES http://www.ultranet.com/~copley/
> * 1) Photo Historical Society of New England
> * 2) Stereo New England
> * 3) Auburndale Community Association
> * 617-527-7562, 617-969-2760fx
> *****************************************************************
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:06:37 MDT
> From: "Dan Shelley" <dshelley@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Unusual stereoview card format
>
> Ralph,
>
> This is one of MANY of this type of card. There are whole sets that were
> designed to help people excersize their eyes. The telebinocular viewer was
> commonly used for such work, both in office versions and take home versions.
> In fact, the Keystone company that still survives is making and distributing
> these things even now.
>
> For what it's worth, I had no problem freeviewing the images on my screen,
> and can do so on other similar cards at home. However, I find that using my
> large telebinocular makes viewing them easiest. I suspect any stereo viewer
> would work OK however.
>
> Dan
>
> >From: Ralph Johnston/Linda Sherman <copley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> >I just uploaded a scan of an SV card with two pairs of photos of cats
> >(which I collect and just bought on e-Bay). But this one has small real
> >photos with two different spacings, 73mm and 69mm and is billed as "AN 28
> >(35450) Keystone Eye-Skill Training Series".
>
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
> ________________________________________________________________________
Please tell why you wrote "the LATE very skillful ...." ?
> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:17:30 -0700
> From: Klaas Morcus <k.morcus@xxxxxx>
> Subject: United Ricoh KR-10 Supers
>
> The late very skilful Victor Lammerts van Bueren was specialised in
> uniting SLR's. You could take a look at one of his products on
>
> http://home.wxs.nl/~jussi/mvc-425f.jpg
> http://home.wxs.nl/~jussi/mvc-427f.jpg
> http://home.wxs.nl/~jussi/mvc-428f.jpg
>
> There is still a film in it, so I could not show the inside of the
> camera. It gives full frames. Until now I have very little experience
> with this camera. Made a totally under-exposed film because I had
> changed by accident the ASA knob to 400 instead of 100). I don't have a
> manual of the camera (this as excuse...;-) )
> Zoom is from 35 mm to 70 mm. Lens seperation: about 75 mm. PLEASE don't
> ask me technical details.
>
> Klaas
> --
> mailto:k.morcus@xxxxxx
>
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