Re: Lith printing

["Tim Rudman" <tim.rudman@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Bob & Jaap

1)Afew points re Your message Bob

2)Sterling UK are now packaging recut 10 x 8 inch lith paper.

3)Ilford MGWT is much harder to lith with and does give a different (less
lithy) result. Best at 40 degrees C. Works well on lith redev though - after
bleaching

4)Re lithoprint: I tested the prototypes  and final version. Quite a
different technique required, and different results - but no pepper fogging,
which was it's main purpose.

5)Process Supplies Lith paper is Sterling lith paper

6)Kentona - Fantastic colours in selenium when lithed. Changes thru' 4 - 5
colours if you get the lith tone right. But hurry - they are about to change
the emulsion.

Tim

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Parsons <bobp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: infrared@xxxxx <infrared@xxxxx>
Date: 07 December 1998 02:39
Subject: Re: Lith printing


>Jaap Los <imagefotografie@xxxxxx> asked:
>
>>I have still have some questions:
>>1. The Sterling paper only comes in 24x30 cm size. Is there an other
>>size available in the UK? What is the UK-price?
>>2. What is the UK-price of the LD20 developer for 4 litres of stock
>>solution?
>>3. I noticed that the developer gets exhausted very soon after about 6
>>sheets of Sterling 24x30 cm (9 1/2 x 12 "). I now use 35 cc A and 35 cc
>>B and add water for one litre (dilution appr. 1+13). Temperature 20 C
>>(68 F). I have also used dilution 1 + 20, but developing times are very
>>long (over 30 to 40 min. for the last 2 or 3 prints). I have once tried
>>to revive the developer by adding 1 teaspoon of each enclosed sachets,
>>but that didn't noticably boost up the capacity of the developer. Is
>>there an other way to improve the capacity of the developer?
>>4. What is the ISBN number of Tim's new book about Lith printing? It is
>>not available in Holland. What is the price in the UK?   --
>
>Hi Japp,
>Like you I've only just started lith printing IR and am enjoying it
immensely.
>I'll try to help with some of your questions.
>
>1. You may find a more easily obtainable paper which can give a similar
>image tone to Sterling Premium F Lith is Ilford Warmtone FB. The Stirling
>paper is also known under the brand name of Stirling Process Lith.
>I have the UK based Silverprint '98 catalogue which lists Stirling Process
>Lith as being available in:
>
>Size inches         Quantity          Order code    Price UKP (no V.A.T.)
>    12 x 16           10                 15923            12.33
>    12 x 16           50                 90357            48.77
>    20 x 16           10                 93853            18.68
>    20 x 16           50                 31931            76.13
>
>Ilford Warmtone FB is available in sizes of 3.5 x 5, 5 x 7, 8 x 10, 9.5 x
12,
>11 x 14, 12 x 16, 16 x 20 and 20 x 24 inches.
>
>At the moment I'm using Kentmere Kentona FB paper which gives pink
>and magenta tones and responds very well to toning. That's available in
>5 x 7, 6.5 x 8.5, 8 x 10, 9.5 x 12, 12 x 16, 20 x 16 inches and
surprisingly
>A4 size ideal for 35mm.
>
>2. Fotospeed LD20 lith developer (500ml part A, 500ml part B) to make
>4 litres of stock solution is listed at 10.75UKP not including V.A.T.
>
>Silverprint have a Speedibrews (brand name) product called "Lithoprint"
>developer which they claim achieves similar tonality and image colour
>to normal Lith developers using infectious development. They say it has
>the advantage of a gradual image buildup with time giving greater control
>and without the need to snatch the print out of the developer.  I'll try it
>and
>let you know the results. Maybe Tim Rudman has already tried this?
>
>Silverprint have a web site:  http://ww.silverprint.co.uk
>
>They will take overseas orders but if you are in the EEC you must add
>17.5% V.A.T. to the prices and there is a minimum order value of 25 UKP.
>Address: 12 Valentine Place, London SE1 8QH,  tel:+44 (0) 171 620 0844
>fax: +44 (0) 171 620 0129
>
>Another London based company with a wide range of specialist papers
>and photo chemicals is Process Supplies, 13 - 25 Mount Pleasant,
>London WC1X 0AA, tel: +44 (0) 171 837 2179, fax: +44 (0) 171 837 8551
>I'm not sure if they'll take overseas orders, I'll find out.
>
>3. Developer exhaustion. I don't know how to extend the capacity of the
>developer except that my problem seemed to be slight fogging or veiling
>of the highlights and white print edges with a faint pink stain after a few
>prints had been processed. Adding a small amount of sodium sulphite
>(from the sachets) does help with this problem.
>
>4. Easy!              On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 22:59:10 +0100 "Tim Rudman"
><tim.rudman@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in part:
><snip>
>>This is the only book on this lovely process as far as I know, and is
called
>>'The Master Photographers Lith Printing Course'. It is very instructional
>>and illustrated with 160 colour plates. I can send a contents list and
book
>>specs to anyone who wants. E-MAIL ME PRIVATELY FOR THIS PLEASE
>>TO SAVE CLUTTERING THE LIST.
>
>>Details are: UK publisher - Argentum (imprint of Aurum) 19.99 - late
>>Nov./early Dec. '98
>>US publisher - Amphoto books/Watson Guptill Inc. $29.95  - spring '99
>>250 x 240 mm. 128 pp. (Stiffish) paperback with flaps.
>>ISBN number 1 902538 02 1
>
>>If anyone would like to order a signed copy from me - hopefully in time
for
>>Christmas - I will be very happy to oblige, but will have to add something
>>towards p&p. Please mail me direct if interested, or I would be happy to
>>discuss Lith printing for I-R. through the group as it might be of general
>>interest.
><snip>
>
>I believe the UK cover price is 19.99UKP;  UK p&p 2.50UKP, Europe
>3.50UKP and US6.50(air mail). I think you can order directly from the
>author.
>
>Jaap,  I'm so pleased with the few prints I've done that I'm mounting them
>and putting them in good quality metal frames and hanging them where
>I see them often. If after a few weeks I still get enjoyment from looking
>at a picture then I'll consider it worth keeping. Or, quite often after a
time
>I can see ways of improving it.
>One useful tip I've found when mounting lith prints (or normal prints toned
>with selenium) behind glass is to make sure the glass does not have a
>green tint to it. It can ruin the delicate pink highlights.
>
>Good luck with the printing !
>
>Kind regards.  Bob Parsons  <bobp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
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