Re: Images Needed to be published: Keep the peace,and proper netiquette, etc.

[Paul Aparycki <tawow@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

>I wholeheartedly second this sentiment,  very eloquently put.       Bob
>Atherton
>
>YDegroot@xxxxxxx wrote:
>
>> Please, let's not repay evil with evil.
>>
>> The rhetoric is getting really ugly.
>>
>> let's remember that this is a free society, and if any professional and/or
>> amateur wants to lend their images to a book, free of charge, in
>>exchange of a
>> free copy and publicity, I would say: let him who wants to do this, do this.
>> Why do we have to lecture people about this? What kind of pushy force is
>>that?
>>
>> yes, some will say: but this destroys the position of professional
>> photographers, who need to make a living from photography.
>>
>> The notion that professional photographers do better work than amateurs:
>> sometimes this is very true. But often it is not true at all. I was a
>> professional photo editor for a long time, and the stuff I received from so-
>> called professionals, would you believe, that truly ticked me off!
>> Unbelievably bad at times. Some writers took their own pictures, and often
>> they were very good.
>>
>> You really cannot generalize like that. A true professional is also someone
>> whose behavior and language and acceptance of others, including amateurs, is
>> as good as his photos.
>>
>> A true professional is someone who never looks down at amateurs, but who
>> encourages amateurs to be greater than himself.
>>
>> No greater love has a man than he who can lay down his arrogance and hunble
>> himself towards his fellow man.
>>
>> The amount of arrogance touted as professionalism is truly amazing,
>> err.......,
>> I meant nauseating.
>>
>> You may judge the panoramic book after it is published. I am sure that Bob
>> will not publish if the images he gets are not up to par!
>>
>> Enough said.
>>
>> THANK YOU!


I don't resent people giving work out for free . . . I personally work pro
bono for two organizations in the Montreal area, and I do other work
completely at MY expense for a few other charitable orginizations. I DO
RESENT, in a big way, the way some people in the industry who are really
savvy . . . certain book publishers, some ad agencies, some pr firms, who
prey off of the STUPIDITY and INSECURITY of amatuers who are willing to
sell their souls for spit. I know the industry . . . I have been here a
long time and seen it all. They (the stupid amatuers) are not going to harm
me in any way whatsoever . . . they are harming themselves, setting a
precedent, and in effect putting a big flashing neon sign over their head
saying "GULLIBLE JERK". Yes they will get their desperately needed
exposure, AND, they will get word of mouth from their client, . . . to whit
. . . "this guy is so stupid, he gave me this pic for nothing". You rarely
get the reputation you want, when you act like a whore. The lesson  . . .
hopefully you can derive it yourself.

As to amatuers sometimes producing a better image than a pro . . . I think
it is the other way around . . . pros sometimes produce a better image than
an amatuer. I live and breathe photography each and every day of my life,
but I frequently wish that I could live and breathe photography for me . .
. I don't have enough time, I'm busy doing it for my clients.

all the best

Paul Aparycki