Re: Rebuttal: Why IAPP is not for us.

[Robert Erickson <cirkut8@xxxxxxxxx>]

What ever "vote" the board took it was illegal. I
stand by my words. Under IAPP bylaws the board is
specifically bared from filling the office of
president elect. Board member Allen Banks is a
personal friend of mine. When I asked him how Peter go
to be "elected" he didn't know what I was talking
about. No one had even brought up the matter with him,
much less asked him for his vote. I have no doubt that
after the fact the question was brought up to the
board and a vote quickly taken to cover the board.

I suggest that you read the bylaws. The office of
president elect requires that notice be given to the
membership a month in advance, a search committee
independent of the president be formed for to find
qualified candidates, an a quorum is necessary for the
vote. 

Bob Erickson
3042 Cardinal Drive
Delray Beach, FL 33444
Fax and Voicemail: 309 210-2019
--- Tommy <tommy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Woow..............well I figured there must me more
> to it than what meets the eye.
> I am just a little pan photographer in
> Texas........every one settle down a bit.
> tomorrow  is a new day , lets learn something new a
> pass it on.
> 
> personally , I have enjoy IAPP and continue to do
> so........
> 
> Tom Hathcock
> 
> Richard Schneider wrote:
> 
> > Dear Bob,
> >
> > I do not believe that this panorama list serve is
> necessarily the right place to air your personal
> grievances against IAPP. That being said however, I
> believe that several points you make warrant a
> rebuttal. The subscribers deserve that much.
> >
> > Michel's angry e-mail was sent to the IAPP Board
> and a few others and was titled, "Open Letter to
> IAPP Members". Fair enough. I did not read where it
> said that he wanted his letter posted on your
> (non-IAPP) web site. I for one, have proposed to the
> Board that "Letters to the Editor" be re-introduced
> to the magazine. That might have been a better forum
> for an IAPP member to air their complaints and
> perhaps get them solved in a calm and orderly way. I
> don't understand why Michel had to resign with such
> haste.
> >
> > Being the editor of the 2001 IAPP Network, I
> responded to Michel's e-mail directly. I addressed
> his problems and offered explanations. My wish was
> that he reconsider his decision to leave the
> organization. He refuses, complaining among other
> things of "amateur work" of the IAPP, which included
> such transgressions as hand-writing his address on
> envelopes and sending him photocopies of
> out-of-print magazines. I guess I shouldn't have
> sent him anything. I think Michel's decision was
> unfortunate. He is a valuable member of the
> panoramic imaging community.
> >
> > Regarding your comments in your "Open Letter to
> IAPP Members", let me address them one by one.
> >
> > 1st paragraph: First and foremost. Michel Dusariez
> was NEVER "black listed from IAPP Membership". If he
> had been, how would you explain his receiving
> magazines, the Network and other publications? If he
> were "black listed" why would I be trying to contact
> and hopefully make peace with him? Secondly,
> regarding your own claim of being "black listed",
> the list serve membership should be aware that for
> the 2000 calendar year you were a member in good
> standing in IAPP. You paid your dues. Your entry is
> in the 2000 Membership Directory. Your membership
> renewal form for 2000 is  in the IAPP records.
> >
> > 1st paragraph - point two: You bring up a personal
> situation you had with Addie that is several years
> old and should not have been broadcast to the world.
> There are two sides to every story but quite
> frankly, I don't think the subscribers here are
> eager to hear them!
> >
> > 2nd paragraph: If you remember, you nominated me
> from the floor at the 1998 Moab Convention. I was
> not originally on the ballot. I wasn't on Addie's or
> anyone else's list. Yet I was elected to be a
> Director. The manner in which ballots are drawn may
> not be perfect, but they are consistent with IAPP
> bylaws. If you want to reform the system, you need
> to work to change the rules the system follows. I am
> working towards that goal.
> >
> > 2nd paragraph - point two: You again mislead your
> readers with your expression, "being kicked out of
> IAPP." Once again, for the 2000 calendar year you
> were a member in good standing in IAPP. I am unsure
> about the situation in 1999. If you were indeed not
> a member then, it likely had to do with your
> personal situation with Fred and Jean Yake.
> > It was not because you were "black listed" and
> once again, you renewed your membership last year,
> even with Jean Yake being Secretary at the time.
> >
> > 3rd paragraph: Peter Lorber did not "self declare"
> himself President-elect. Upon the sudden and highly
> unusual circumstance of the resignation of Everen
> Brown (President-elect) AND Jean Yake (Secretary /
> Treasurer) in March 2000, the remaining Board
> members voted and eventually filled the vacancies
> with Peter Lorber and myself, respectively. I
> believe their overriding concern was to hold IAPP
> together during this difficult period. They
> succeeded. The method of selecting Mr. Lorber may
> not have seemed democratic to you, but it was not
> inconsistent with Robert's Rules of Order either.
> These are the parliamentary rules that help govern
> our association.
> >
> > 4th paragraph: The term "Network" is a generic one
> and refers to communication between people and
> businesses that have a mutual interest. The use of
> the word was in no way meant to confuse the public
> as to whose panoramic organization was whose.
> Besides, the booklet was titled. "IAPP Membership
> Network 2001", not "Panoramic Network". The title
> obviously refers to a network composed of IAPP
> members and in no way tries to undermine your
> on-line club.
> >
> > Several months ago when we last spoke, you
> remarked that you had a bottle of champagne you were
> going to open once your club surpassed IAPP in terms
> of membership. That remark always struck me as
> mean-spirited. It seemed to be coming from a man not
> interested in reforming IAPP, but destroying it. Now
> you call your club a "rival" to IAPP. It seems to me
> that no matter what IAPP does to reform itself, you
> will always boycott it.
> >
> > The subscribers of this list serve will need to
> sort all this out for themselves, now that so much
> has been said. Let it be known however, that you
> personally, are welcome to renew your membership for
> the 2001 calendar year and for any year afterwards.
> As Secretary, I do not keep a "black list".
> >
> > Despite having some faults - as every organization
> does, IAPP remains an organization committed to
> education, promotion and exchanging artistic and
> technical ideas, and to the free sharing of
> information, and to the expansion of public
> awareness regarding Panoramic Photography (adapted
> from Article II of the IAPP Bylaws).
> >
> > Finally and on a personal note, I sir, will
> boycott your on-line club until "honesty" has been
> returned to your business practices. What I mean is
> that I will maintain this personal boycott until a
> proper photo credit is given to ALL the early 20th
> Century photographers whose images you obtained from
> the Library of Congress are now trying to auction
> off on eBay. I have no problem with commerce. But
> give credit where credit is due.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Richard Schneider
> > IAPP Secretary / Treasurer
> 


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Robert Erickson, cirkut8@xxxxxxxxx
The Panoramic Network: http://www.panoramic.net

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