RE: New HIE Problem (Lines)

[Theo Benson <TBenson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Elton:
The lines are very fine and sharp, and are of lower density (resulting in
dark lines in the print). They don't register with the sprocket holes, and
since they are of lower density I can't tell if they extend past the image
frame. By the way, the film was shot in a Nikon that has since yielded EIR
and other B&W images without problem, and has been used in the past with HIE
without problem. The film was processed in a top of the line JOBO (no, not
mine, unfortunately).

Anyone have any ideas?

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Elton N. Kaufmann - Cycloid Fathom Group
> [SMTP:cycloid@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent:	Thursday, July 23, 1998 8:25 PM
> To:	infrared@xxxxx
> Subject:	RE: New HIE Problem (Lines)
> 
> Theo:
>  The kind of lines you are describing are not the ones I saw in batch
> #2871.  I saw horizontal fine line segments at eight frame intervals.
> These were clearly caused by something parallel to the transport direction
> of the film (and we now know it was in the manufacturing process).
> There has been some discussion on the list on a few occasions of vertical
> lines, but these were for the most part the ones you get from the sprocket
> holes causing enhanced development under moderate to heavy agitation
> during
> processing.   
> Maybe a more accurate description of your lines would ring a bell with
> someone. Are they + or - density, fine or wide, sharp or diffused, in
> registry with the frame or the sprocket holes, and do they extend beyond
> the frame edges?  
> 			Good luck,
> 				EltonK
>  
> 
> >Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1998 09:37:41 -0700
> >From: Theo Benson <TBenson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Subject: RE: New HIE Problem (Lines)
> >
> >Well, folks, guess what? I just souped two rolls of HIE that I had in the
> >fridge for many months, and came up with the LINE problem! I wasn't
> around
> >when the line problem was first discussed, so I'm not sure whether my
> >problem matches the one discussed earlier. I came up with perfectly
> spaced,
> >vertical lines (about 5) on each frame. I believe I purchased the film
> about
> >6 months ago, but I field-loaded the stock and threw the boxes away, so I
> >don't know the emulsion number. If my experience with Kodak is any
> >indicator, however, I expect they'll make good (they once sent me FOUR
> boxes
> >of fiber VC paper because I got a bad one).
> >
> >
> >> Hi Elton:
> >> You wrote:
> >> >Kokak is doing right by me as far as my own bad bricks are >concerned.
> 
> >> So
> >> >the mystery is solved and maybe the problem is resolved
> >> 
> >> I think we'd like to know the emulsion number
> >> of the bad batch that you had.
> >> phillip geller
> >> phillip geller photography
> >
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