[MF3D.FORUM:1523] Re: folio comments.....

[Paul Talbot <ptww@xxxxxxxxx>]

Bill Glickman wrote:
> 
> Hi, I have the folio and would like to offer the following comments...

Many thanks for taking the time to write up the comments and
share them with us, Bill!

>          The lessons I have learned here are to cut back on my base
> seperations a bit...

:-)

> I also noticed how much
> easier the viewing is of spud type images vs. my twin camera arrangement...I
> assume this is because my bases were too wide, it causes odd ball
> problems.....

Maybe, maybe not.  You might want to view some of the images you
find less comfortable to fuse with a mounting gauge in place.  Do
the same with the easier to view images.  The issue might be
alignment in mounting.

> I recall shooting many scenes where my near was 100 ft away
> and I used a 14" seperation, and the images suffered to many ill effects,
> such as cardboard cut out look, stressful fusing 

Do you see cardboard cut out look even though you don't see
miniaturization?

> and retinal rivalry.

With your twin rig that should only happen if you have shutter
synch problems.

>      I probably just coined a new phrase.... "stressful fusing", but it's
> the best way I can describe a lot of my images vs. some of the Spud and
> Rolleidoscope images.   It seems as if I can fuse my images, but I have to
> work at it, vs. the fixed stereo cameras or twins with very tight bases,
> where it naturally fuses with no brain or eye stress... does this make sense
> to anyone else?

Yes, you have described the symptoms well.  But as noted the
cause might be the mounting.

I usually try to minimize quoting, but the following was such a great
story, I'm leaving it intact!  (and adding comments below)

>         As a side note...I would like to suggest the following.......  I
> think this concept is a great way to introduce stereo (or MF stereo) to new
> comers.  I know if I saw this folio many years ago, I would have ran out to
> buy stereo gear...  I would suggest that we donate to Paul T shots that we
> can part with....for instance, shots that are good, but we shot several for
> back up or bracketed, etc. ....  then Paul can offer the Saturn viewer and
> slides to interested parties for a small fee...say $ 20 including shipping.
> This way he will always have a kit ready to ship for people interested in
> this medium.  Since he is set up for cc processing, he can charge full value
> up front and then reimburse the user when it returns less the small fee.
> This would probably be the best way to expand MF stereo in my opinion.   a
> good example of this is Mike Davis,  a brilliant and accomplished
> photographer who was searching for a new medium for his photography after
> years of MF and 35mm.  He was considering exciting avenues such as 11x14
> format....I suggested to him before dumping a ton of $$ into that, take a
> look at MF stereo, it will blow you away...he was somewhat experienced with
> 35mm stereo from his earlier years...but was not that interested..... I
> offered to send him my slides with the Saturn Viewer, and the next thing I
> knew he was ordering twin Mamiya 7's, lenses, stereo bars from jaspar,
> Saturn from Alan, mounts from Paul, etc...   Then he made his own
> formulation for bases that can be easily used in the field via a $20
> programmable calculator!  What an amazing contributor to this medium...and
> all because he glanced at some of my, "mediocre slides".  I am a newbie at
> this, and the set of slides I gave him was very poor vs. some of the winners
> in this pack.... the reason more people don't get into MF stereo is because
> they never saw it before!  Just a suggestion!

Indeed, your suggestion matches what I've alluded to in a couple messages.
I would like to set up a more or less permanent expo to have available to
send out to folks who didn't get in on this expo, whether from oversight,
procrstination, or geographic incompatibility.  I would also use it to
promote MF 3D to newcomers who haven't yet discovered this 3D format or
this discussion list!

Great idea, Bill!  Who has some images?  I'll start accepting them
anytime anyone wants to start sending some.

Paul Talbot