[MF3D.FORUM:1518] folio comments.....

["Bill Glickman" <bglick@xxxxxxxx>]

Hi, I have the folio and would like to offer the following comments...  This
entire concept is great, how else could we all see everyone elses work?
Great job Paul / Brian

I will comment on the slides I liked the best....

R Sage, Hearts on a swing...  3d effect is amazing, great subject matter for
stereo...

P Talbot, Stream under bridge, very powerful 3d effect, if it was not for
the blurred leaves I would have rated it perfect....

David Lee, Death Valley .....   I am still amazed how David got a shot at
infinity to appear with such amazing depth.  Dave, I forgot how hyper these
cameras were, will you refresh my memory....   truly remarkable Dave...  I
am convinced this shot will always be my favorite infinity 3d shot.  BTW,
others noticed a miniturization effect, but not me, I am immune to this
effect, did others notice it?

David Lee, Twin Palms.....   After gazing at this for 5 minutes, I pulled
back and asked myself why the hell am I looking at two palm tree bases for
so long...then I figured it out... this is image is so powerful because it
has so many succesfful ingredients, perfect expsosure, no burnt out areas,
very vivid colors, tremendous depth without infinity, great lighting..... it
just simply works!

Joel Alpers, B/W test shot.....  Joel, if this is just your test shot, I
would pay $$ to see your real shots...  I have never been a B&W fan, but
this image moved me so much I just ordered some B&W film for the first time
in 15 years...I never imagined B&W working so well in stereo!   The image is
perfect in every aspect, composition, subject matter, perfect mood....  one
of the best of the pack for sure....

Don Lopp, Mt. Ranier....  This prooves that even great 2d shots can make
really good 3d shots.  The foliage in the front does offere some depth, but
when your eyes are focussed at the mountain, depth is lost...but the image
is so well executed, and the scene is so spectacular, I was not the least
bit dissapointed by lack of depth, it can be appreciate it on its own
merits...

Sam Smith - Upper falls Ice...   Just plain spectacular.....  everything is
perfect, where the hell is the place, I want to go there and shoot it!   The
huge rock on the left is all we needed for that cozy depth feeling..... this
image would even be spectacular in 2d.

Don Lopp - Silver falls...  very powerful 3d image and great  exposure on a
tough scene.  Don, was this shot on a fixed stereo camera, or twin?  What
was the seperation?

Bob Clark - Frosty morning...  talk about mood scenes...this one takes the
cake!
perfectly executed, great composition, great depth

Bob Clark -  Hosta La Vista  -  Best macro 3d shot I have ever seen...did
you flash this Bob?  The light looks very even to me which is unusual for
this type of shot

Greg Erker - Autumn Trail 99  -  OK, I was trying hard not to pick a winner
of the bunch, but I can't resist - this is it.... a perfect scene for
stereo, perfectly executed in every manner, very captivating.  This was shot
on a sputnick, I wonder if this shot would have been possible with twin
cameras with 6.5" seperation....  this convinces me how powerful normal
interocular seperation can be.   I guess the beauty of the small lens
seperation is a potential downfall for twin cameras...

Greg Erker - Fireworks finale....   I never thought so much depth can be had
with fireworks!

         The lessons I have learned here are to cut back on my base
seperations a bit...Mike Davis has perfected a formula that utilizes a base
factor...after seeing such great depth effect on fixed base cameras, I think
I will cut this factor down to 50% to feel safer.  I also noticed how much
easier the viewing is of spud type images vs. my twin camera arrangement...I
assume this is because my bases were too wide, it causes odd ball
problems..... I recall shooting many scenes where my near was 100 ft away
and I used a 14" seperation, and the images suffered to many ill effects,
such as cardboard cut out look, stressful fusing and retinal rivalry.

     I probably just coined a new phrase.... "stressful fusing", but it's
the best way I can describe a lot of my images vs. some of the Spud and
Rolleidoscope images.   It seems as if I can fuse my images, but I have to
work at it, vs. the fixed stereo cameras or twins with very tight bases,
where it naturally fuses with no brain or eye stress... does this make sense
to anyone else?

       Well David Lee, you are next on the list, it should go out by Thurs.
so expect it no later than Monday!  Great job making all the labels for
shipping Paul, it can't get any easier..

        As a side note...I would like to suggest the following.......  I
think this concept is a great way to introduce stereo (or MF stereo) to new
comers.  I know if I saw this folio many years ago, I would have ran out to
buy stereo gear...  I would suggest that we donate to Paul T shots that we
can part with....for instance, shots that are good, but we shot several for
back up or bracketed, etc. ....  then Paul can offer the Saturn viewer and
slides to interested parties for a small fee...say $ 20 including shipping.
This way he will always have a kit ready to ship for people interested in
this medium.  Since he is set up for cc processing, he can charge full value
up front and then reimburse the user when it returns less the small fee.
This would probably be the best way to expand MF stereo in my opinion.   a
good example of this is Mike Davis,  a brilliant and accomplished
photographer who was searching for a new medium for his photography after
years of MF and 35mm.  He was considering exciting avenues such as 11x14
format....I suggested to him before dumping a ton of $$ into that, take a
look at MF stereo, it will blow you away...he was somewhat experienced with
35mm stereo from his earlier years...but was not that interested..... I
offered to send him my slides with the Saturn Viewer, and the next thing I
knew he was ordering twin Mamiya 7's, lenses, stereo bars from jaspar,
Saturn from Alan, mounts from Paul, etc...   Then he made his own
formulation for bases that can be easily used in the field via a $20
programmable calculator!  What an amazing contributor to this medium...and
all because he glanced at some of my, "mediocre slides".  I am a newbie at
this, and the set of slides I gave him was very poor vs. some of the winners
in this pack.... the reason more people don't get into MF stereo is because
they never saw it before!  Just a suggestion!

Regards
Bill G