RE: Re: Re: rise or fall

[James Romeo <jromeo@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I was using a view camera before you were born. My old 8x10 wide angle camera has a 4 inch rise or fall the lens board moves up or down bellows do not this rise or fall on this camera is croping  a large very large circle. The camers were called skyscraper cameras. Lens movments are used for many things one is croping. James Romeo
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From: panorama-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: panorama-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Re: rise or fall
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 00:02:05 -0500

Have you ever used a view camera?  Your comments lead one to believe that 
you have not.  The closer to the lens the subjects are the more pronounced 
the effects of a shift (rise and fall in this case) will be.  In view camera 
work moving the lens a matter if a few mm make BIG differences.  Its not a 
cropping tool but part of the creative process to make the image look as you 
see it in your mind's eye.  Raising the camera and lowering the front 
standard yields much more foreground, simply lowering the  camera will not 
do that much. 
Joe McCary 
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From: James Romeo <jromeo@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: panorama-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <panorama-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 7:25 PM 
Subject: RE: Re: rise or fall 
 
 
This is what a shift does 
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From: panorama-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
To: panorama-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Subject: Re: rise or fall 
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 18:55:56 +0000 
 
if moving your head up or down a foot or so doesn;t significantly change the 
angle of view how can an inch or two do it  with a lens, an inferior 
subsstitute for the eye? no, what it does is place on the negative  the 
desired part of the larger image available with a lens covering 
significantly more than the format. a shift is a cropping device, no more.no 
less. if you had the whole image circle formed by the lens a shift of a foot 
wouldn' amount to an anthill. 
-- rof 
 
 
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>From: zxiong@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>To: panorama-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>Subject: Re: rise or fall 
>Date: Mon, Feb 22, 1999, 11:12 PM 
> 
 
> 
> I think a little optical illustration may help.  I hope this will display 
t> properly in plain text mode. 
> 
> 
>      Scene                 lens         image on film (upside-down) 
> 
>        ___ 
>         | 
>         | 
>    shift-up view                               --- 
>         |                                       | 
>         |                                 shift-down image 
>        ---                                      | 
>         |                                      --- 
>         |                   /\                  | 
>     no shift               |  |            non-shift image 
>         |                  |  |                 | 
>         |                   \/                 --- 
>        ---                                      | 
>         |                                 shift-down image 
>         |                                       | 
>   shift-down view                              --- 
>         | 
>         | 
>        --- 
> 
> 
> In one word, shift changes the angle of view.  It has two functions. 
> 1, raise/lower the horizon on film; and 2, provide a higher/lower angle of 
> view without tilting the camera so that the object (such as building) and 
the 
> focal plane (film) remain parallel and thus vertical lines stay vertical 
on 
> film (not converging lines which you'll get pointing your camera up). 
> 
> One good example is that when you shoot with a wide angle lens, you can 
pull 
> in a toll building by stepping backward a few steps, not by climing a 
ladder. 
> With a normal lens there may not be enough room for you to move back. 
> Think shift as changing to a wider angle lens and you capture only part of 
> the image of that wider angle. 
> 
>