Re: Re: rise or fall

[Joe McCary - <mccary@xxxxxxxxx>]

Have you ever used a view camera?  Your comments lead one to believe that
you have not.  The closer to the lens the subjects are the more pronounced
the effects of a shift (rise and fall in this case) will be.  In view camera
work moving the lens a matter if a few mm make BIG differences.  Its not a
cropping tool but part of the creative process to make the image look as you
see it in your mind's eye.  Raising the camera and lowering the front
standard yields much more foreground, simply lowering the  camera will not
do that much.
Joe McCary
Photo Response
-----Original Message-----
From: James Romeo <jromeo@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: panorama-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <panorama-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 7:25 PM
Subject: RE: Re: rise or fall


This is what a shift does
-----Original Message-----

From: panorama-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: panorama-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: rise or fall
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 18:55:56 +0000

if moving your head up or down a foot or so doesn;t significantly change the
angle of view how can an inch or two do it  with a lens, an inferior
subsstitute for the eye? no, what it does is place on the negative  the
desired part of the larger image available with a lens covering
significantly more than the format. a shift is a cropping device, no more.no
less. if you had the whole image circle formed by the lens a shift of a foot
wouldn' amount to an anthill.
-- rof


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>From: zxiong@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To: panorama-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: rise or fall
>Date: Mon, Feb 22, 1999, 11:12 PM
>

>
> I think a little optical illustration may help.  I hope this will display
t> properly in plain text mode.
>
>
>      Scene                 lens         image on film (upside-down)
>
>        ___
>         |
>         |
>    shift-up view                               ---
>         |                                       |
>         |                                 shift-down image
>        ---                                      |
>         |                                      ---
>         |                   /\                  |
>     no shift               |  |            non-shift image
>         |                  |  |                 |
>         |                   \/                 ---
>        ---                                      |
>         |                                 shift-down image
>         |                                       |
>   shift-down view                              ---
>         |
>         |
>        ---
>
>
> In one word, shift changes the angle of view.  It has two functions.
> 1, raise/lower the horizon on film; and 2, provide a higher/lower angle of
> view without tilting the camera so that the object (such as building) and
the
> focal plane (film) remain parallel and thus vertical lines stay vertical
on
> film (not converging lines which you'll get pointing your camera up).
>
> One good example is that when you shoot with a wide angle lens, you can
pull
> in a toll building by stepping backward a few steps, not by climing a
ladder.
> With a normal lens there may not be enough room for you to move back.
> Think shift as changing to a wider angle lens and you capture only part of
> the image of that wider angle.
>
>