Re: Epson Roll Paper Holder

["Dan Smith, Photographer" <shooter@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

The eternal quest for "cheaper" and "archival" will end up with diminishing
returns. If you want "archival", do dye transfers of something akin to the
Evercolor method or traditional B&W or alt processes such as platinum, etc.

If you want 'cheap', forget digital printing completely, especially anything
with any kind of quality, and go with grocery store 35mm film & one hour
processing.

dan smith


----- Original Message -----
From: "ralph fuerbringer" <rof@xxxxxxx>
To: <panorama-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: Epson Roll Paper Holder


>
> -- rof
>
> tue i wrote : the catch in printing continuous 13x44 pannoramas was the
ink
> supply, Ernest Dinkla pointed out a more sinister catch: the cartridges
are
> unique and unrefillable.  Does anyone really think this first epson effort
> in archival printing inks & pape is even the best today much less
> tomorrow and tomorrow? This is the suicidal  620 principle: Kodak put its
> 120 film on a smaller spool only its cameras could use . Did it
again&again:
> bantam, instamatic, 110 too. Twice corporate greed wasnt the the order of
> the day: besides  h-8 there was the  phillips audio cassette free to all
who
> made it up to standard. There is now the distinct possibiliity that the
> epson 1270 will die like the 620 Kodak Medalist half a century ago, a
camera
> with potential to
> be the 6x12 120 camera in front today.
> ----------
> >From: Ernst Dinkla <ernst@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: panorama-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: Re: Epson Roll Paper Holder
> >Date: Tue, Mar 28, 2000, 11:54 AM
> >
>
> > In <URL:news:lokaal.panorama> on Tue 28 Mar, ralph fuerbringer wrote:
> >> Alan & Sheri Kafton inquired about continuous printing of 44" panoramic
> >> prints on the 1270 epson.  The catch is the ink supply.  According to
the
> >> epson specs available on their name site the 1270 ink capacitity  is
only
> >> minisculely better than the 1200. They rate by  8x10s,a  44 incher
close to
> >> 8 of these.  They dont say if ink cartridges size is different just
> >> longer lasting in stability, an advertising play they couple with a new
> >> heavier paper.  obviously this ink and paper will be for all their line
> >> after the intro hype is over. The cartridges may even be the same size
as
> >> the price seems the same.  One other point: its not really flush  if
you
> >> look at their advertising pictures and specs, just about 1/2 closer
than the
> >> 1200 gets.
> >> -- rof
> >
> > The 1270 etc printers have another catch. The ink carts have a chip with
> > a unique number. When they are empty you can't refill them if you would
> > like to do that. (There's the theoretical possibility to exchange the
> > empty carts with other 1270 users).The Epson 1270 ink/paper combination
> > is however the first archival set that Epson themselves ever delivered.
> > Wilhelm rating: 10 years for gloss, 25 years for matt IIRC. Good enough
> > given the test conditions Wilhelm uses. But this chip prevents the use
> > of any other archival or other ink combination you may have used before.
> > And the price of the ink etc. isn't so nice. So it may be wiser not to
> > get the last generation of the smaller Epson printers if you want
> > cheaper archival prints. On the other hand the quality of the 1270
> > prints seems to be very high, even compared with the 1200.
> > There are third party continuous ink supply systems available for the
> > generations before the 1270. The chip will also prevent those systems
> > to work. If you can live with the price of the ink and the amount you
> > may expect third party papers in the future that will give the same life
> > expectancy with the Epson inks. If you print a lot the 3000/7000/9000
> > are more economic, roll fed and with a wider choice of inks and papers.
> > More visible dots though...
> >
> > There will be a hack one day but it isn't easy.
> >
> > Ernst
> > --
> > Ernst Dinkla  Serigrafie,Zeefdruk            The point will never be
metric
> >
>