RE: Rebuttal: Why IAPP is not for us.

[Statewide Photo <statewidephoto@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I thought this group was about paroramic photography, not politics. Come on
guys ;>


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Erickson [mailto:cirkut8@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 10:00 AM
> To: panorama-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Rebuttal: Why IAPP is not for us.
>
>
> What ever "vote" the board took it was illegal. I
> stand by my words. Under IAPP bylaws the board is
> specifically bared from filling the office of
> president elect. Board member Allen Banks is a
> personal friend of mine. When I asked him how Peter go
> to be "elected" he didn't know what I was talking
> about. No one had even brought up the matter with him,
> much less asked him for his vote. I have no doubt that
> after the fact the question was brought up to the
> board and a vote quickly taken to cover the board.
>
> I suggest that you read the bylaws. The office of
> president elect requires that notice be given to the
> membership a month in advance, a search committee
> independent of the president be formed for to find
> qualified candidates, an a quorum is necessary for the
> vote.
>
> Bob Erickson
> 3042 Cardinal Drive
> Delray Beach, FL 33444
> Fax and Voicemail: 309 210-2019
> --- Tommy <tommy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Woow..............well I figured there must me more
> > to it than what meets the eye.
> > I am just a little pan photographer in
> > Texas........every one settle down a bit.
> > tomorrow  is a new day , lets learn something new a
> > pass it on.
> >
> > personally , I have enjoy IAPP and continue to do
> > so........
> >
> > Tom Hathcock
> >
> > Richard Schneider wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Bob,
> > >
> > > I do not believe that this panorama list serve is
> > necessarily the right place to air your personal
> > grievances against IAPP. That being said however, I
> > believe that several points you make warrant a
> > rebuttal. The subscribers deserve that much.
> > >
> > > Michel's angry e-mail was sent to the IAPP Board
> > and a few others and was titled, "Open Letter to
> > IAPP Members". Fair enough. I did not read where it
> > said that he wanted his letter posted on your
> > (non-IAPP) web site. I for one, have proposed to the
> > Board that "Letters to the Editor" be re-introduced
> > to the magazine. That might have been a better forum
> > for an IAPP member to air their complaints and
> > perhaps get them solved in a calm and orderly way. I
> > don't understand why Michel had to resign with such
> > haste.
> > >
> > > Being the editor of the 2001 IAPP Network, I
> > responded to Michel's e-mail directly. I addressed
> > his problems and offered explanations. My wish was
> > that he reconsider his decision to leave the
> > organization. He refuses, complaining among other
> > things of "amateur work" of the IAPP, which included
> > such transgressions as hand-writing his address on
> > envelopes and sending him photocopies of
> > out-of-print magazines. I guess I shouldn't have
> > sent him anything. I think Michel's decision was
> > unfortunate. He is a valuable member of the
> > panoramic imaging community.
> > >
> > > Regarding your comments in your "Open Letter to
> > IAPP Members", let me address them one by one.
> > >
> > > 1st paragraph: First and foremost. Michel Dusariez
> > was NEVER "black listed from IAPP Membership". If he
> > had been, how would you explain his receiving
> > magazines, the Network and other publications? If he
> > were "black listed" why would I be trying to contact
> > and hopefully make peace with him? Secondly,
> > regarding your own claim of being "black listed",
> > the list serve membership should be aware that for
> > the 2000 calendar year you were a member in good
> > standing in IAPP. You paid your dues. Your entry is
> > in the 2000 Membership Directory. Your membership
> > renewal form for 2000 is  in the IAPP records.
> > >
> > > 1st paragraph - point two: You bring up a personal
> > situation you had with Addie that is several years
> > old and should not have been broadcast to the world.
> > There are two sides to every story but quite
> > frankly, I don't think the subscribers here are
> > eager to hear them!
> > >
> > > 2nd paragraph: If you remember, you nominated me
> > from the floor at the 1998 Moab Convention. I was
> > not originally on the ballot. I wasn't on Addie's or
> > anyone else's list. Yet I was elected to be a
> > Director. The manner in which ballots are drawn may
> > not be perfect, but they are consistent with IAPP
> > bylaws. If you want to reform the system, you need
> > to work to change the rules the system follows. I am
> > working towards that goal.
> > >
> > > 2nd paragraph - point two: You again mislead your
> > readers with your expression, "being kicked out of
> > IAPP." Once again, for the 2000 calendar year you
> > were a member in good standing in IAPP. I am unsure
> > about the situation in 1999. If you were indeed not
> > a member then, it likely had to do with your
> > personal situation with Fred and Jean Yake.
> > > It was not because you were "black listed" and
> > once again, you renewed your membership last year,
> > even with Jean Yake being Secretary at the time.
> > >
> > > 3rd paragraph: Peter Lorber did not "self declare"
> > himself President-elect. Upon the sudden and highly
> > unusual circumstance of the resignation of Everen
> > Brown (President-elect) AND Jean Yake (Secretary /
> > Treasurer) in March 2000, the remaining Board
> > members voted and eventually filled the vacancies
> > with Peter Lorber and myself, respectively. I
> > believe their overriding concern was to hold IAPP
> > together during this difficult period. They
> > succeeded. The method of selecting Mr. Lorber may
> > not have seemed democratic to you, but it was not
> > inconsistent with Robert's Rules of Order either.
> > These are the parliamentary rules that help govern
> > our association.
> > >
> > > 4th paragraph: The term "Network" is a generic one
> > and refers to communication between people and
> > businesses that have a mutual interest. The use of
> > the word was in no way meant to confuse the public
> > as to whose panoramic organization was whose.
> > Besides, the booklet was titled. "IAPP Membership
> > Network 2001", not "Panoramic Network". The title
> > obviously refers to a network composed of IAPP
> > members and in no way tries to undermine your
> > on-line club.
> > >
> > > Several months ago when we last spoke, you
> > remarked that you had a bottle of champagne you were
> > going to open once your club surpassed IAPP in terms
> > of membership. That remark always struck me as
> > mean-spirited. It seemed to be coming from a man not
> > interested in reforming IAPP, but destroying it. Now
> > you call your club a "rival" to IAPP. It seems to me
> > that no matter what IAPP does to reform itself, you
> > will always boycott it.
> > >
> > > The subscribers of this list serve will need to
> > sort all this out for themselves, now that so much
> > has been said. Let it be known however, that you
> > personally, are welcome to renew your membership for
> > the 2001 calendar year and for any year afterwards.
> > As Secretary, I do not keep a "black list".
> > >
> > > Despite having some faults - as every organization
> > does, IAPP remains an organization committed to
> > education, promotion and exchanging artistic and
> > technical ideas, and to the free sharing of
> > information, and to the expansion of public
> > awareness regarding Panoramic Photography (adapted
> > from Article II of the IAPP Bylaws).
> > >
> > > Finally and on a personal note, I sir, will
> > boycott your on-line club until "honesty" has been
> > returned to your business practices. What I mean is
> > that I will maintain this personal boycott until a
> > proper photo credit is given to ALL the early 20th
> > Century photographers whose images you obtained from
> > the Library of Congress are now trying to auction
> > off on eBay. I have no problem with commerce. But
> > give credit where credit is due.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Richard Schneider
> > > IAPP Secretary / Treasurer
> >
>
>
> =====
> Robert Erickson, cirkut8@xxxxxxxxx
> The Panoramic Network: http://www.panoramic.net
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