Re: 3-D video art and artists?

[P3D Gabriel Jacob <jacob@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

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You thru some volleys concerning 3d photo relative to holography and video
and mention you don't want to quarrel. I respect your opinion as you 
mention it is the preferences of the beholder, but I think I have to 
respond to your statements as you have made some interesting comments that
need addressing. 

>For all the resolution freaks out there who find 'video' to be inferior to
>photographic resolution, etc., may I remind you that a hologram is a hell
>of a lot higher in resolution than any 3-D photograph you will EVER make.

First of it's a fact of life that video has inferior resolution to
photographic film but most people accept this and work with the limitations
of video, and don't look down on it. I for one do most of my work in video
stills and augment it with film photography. Heck most of us love LCD 3d,
if you have been here for awhile you would have realized that. You mention 
holographic films having a lot higher resolution than a photograph. That
may be but have you ever seen a sharp hologram of live subjects. Very hard
to do and most of them are quite fuzzzzy. In any case film is still sharper
than videos so the logic of holograms being better than film is mute. Next
can you make holographic movies. Nope not yet but you can make 3d movies in
film or video for that matter. 
 
>(Take a good look at a large laser transmission hologram someday and 
>compare it to any stereo-pair.)

I have seen quite a few at major exhibitions dealing only in avant-garde
media, especially holograms. Have you ever heard of Image de Futur 
exhibition that is held in Montreal. Well most of them need special 
lighting and at the right angles to see them properly. Not as critical
with stereo pairs.
  
>And as for Pseudo-color anaglyph, well, that's all in the preferences of
>the beholder...which I won't quarrel with. (I find them ugly and 
>irritating to look at.)  Each to his own.

Have you ever seen any quality anaglyphs? I seriously doubt it. Just as in
holograms there is alot of lousy images. 90% of holograms are lousy and
the color shifts when you look at it from different angles. The other 10%
are excellent just like in anaglyphs. Check out some good anaglyphs before
you comment. 

>Motion-picture 3-D (film or video) is quite extraordinary.  Especially 
>since the viewing systems are VGA compatable and relatively cheap.  If 
>'flicker' turns you off, get a better viewer.

Yes as I mentioned most of us are quite aware of the fact that they are
extraordinary. But you mention its relatively cheap and then go on to
mention if flicker turns you off, get a better viewer, but then the 
dilemma is that it's no longer cheap! Anaglyph glasses or Polaroid
glasses are cheaper!

>The ART of 3-D video is not something that is obsessed with resolution-
>technical fetishisms nor is it satisfied with 'gee whiz, it's three-dee!". 
>(And stereoscopic 3-D is not really 3-D, but a simulation of the way we
>apprehend/perceive spatial imagery.  Try looking 'over' the images.)

Hmmm, I lost you here. You say the art of 3-D video is not something
that is obsessed with resolution....nor gee whiz three-dee. What is
it then? You didn't answer it in your post. I would have to agree
that, "it's not the only thing" but I would disagree on stating, "it is
not". As for your final comment that stereoscopic 3-D not being real
3-D you should check up the definition of 3-D or read up on some books
dealing  with the mind and how it perceives 3d and depth. Incidently 
are your 3d videos not really 3-d then? 

Concerning holograms yes they are interesting but you need rather 
specialized equipment and is not something you can do readily on
your kitchen table unless its made out of cement, thats as far as I
wish to comment on holograms since this is not the main forum here for
it. Heck I love holograms, even have some on my wall and in my wallet!  

On a final note I don't wish to quarrel either but just wanted to set
the record straight. I respect your opinions and if it wasn't for 3d 
we wouldn't have differing points of view. :-)

G  a  b  r  i  e  l
       



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