Re: [photo-3d] Digest Number 549

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Subject: [photo-3d] Digest Number 549


There are 16 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Public exhibit and symposium.
           From: sstiles@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
      2. Re: Copying Glass Negs
           From: Peter Homer <P.J.Homer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
      3. Re: Digest Number 543
           From: JNorman805@xxxxxxx
      4. Re: giga-pixels!
           From: Peter Davis <pd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
      5. Stereo Sun & NSA links...
           From: "Dan Shelley" <dshelley@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
      6. Digital stereo cameras
           From: matmail2@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
      7. Re: Re: 2x2x2 projection
           From: Lee Moore <moore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
      8. Re: Jurassic 3D
           From: Rory Hinnen <Rory.Hinnen@xxxxxxxxxx>
      9. Re: giga-pixels!
           From: Brian Reynolds <reynolds@xxxxxxxxx>
     10. Fw: NSA Regional Meeting
           From: "John N. Dukes" <Zytel-Radak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
     11. Hasselblad stereo?
           From: 74226.607@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
     12. Re: Hasselblad stereo?
           From: Paul Talbot <list_post@xxxxxxxxx>
     13. NSA 2001 Bus tours date mistake.
           From: MARTZ3D@xxxxxxx
     14. Re: Hasselblad stereo?
           From: "Jay W. McGuire" <PigsOnTheWing@xxxxxxx>
     15. RE: Hasselblad stereo?
           From: "deadman@xxxxxxxxxx" <deadman@xxxxxxxxxx>
     16. Technical Enterprises...
           From: penultimate@xxxxxxxxx


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Message: 1
   Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 12:26:10 -0000
   From: sstiles@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Public exhibit and symposium.

"STEREOSCOPES Victorian 3D Entertainments & Modern Counterparts" is a
public exhibit of materials that illustrate the emergence and
development of stereo viewing.  It also is a symposium for stereo
viewing, which will include a brief look at projected stereo images
and a longer look at antique view cards.  The exhibit is open during
April and May 2001.

An announcement by the sponsor gives the details:

"Ted Sly, Orange County Historian, is proud to offer a fascinating
and entertaining program on stereo viewing on Saturday, April 28 at
the Historic 1841 Court House in Goshen (New York) at 10 :00 a.m.
(coffee at 9:00.)  The presentation and execution will be under the
direction of Stuart Stiles of Middletown.  Everyone attending will
have a viewer and several card reproductions to use during the
symposium.

(The bio of the speaker is given)

As a supplement to the Saturday program, an exhibit of stereoscopic
materials will be shown at the Court House on Mondays through
Saturdays from 10:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m.
. Please join us for these interesting and free-of-charge activities."

Comments on the exhibit and participation in the symposium by stereo
enthusiasts will be appreciated.  If you are in the Goshen, New York
area, as Ted states, these events are free-of charge.  I'll leave it
up to you to determine how "interesting," "fascinating,"
and "entertaining" they are.  I have done by best to promote
awareness of stereoscopes, and to promote interest in 3d images.

Stuart




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Message: 2
   Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 14:08:16 +0000
   From: Peter Homer <P.J.Homer@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Copying Glass Negs

In digest 547 Mike Canter wrote in reply to my post.

>
>Sorry, Peter, but the current range of standard B&W
>slide films don't use dyes.  Only colour slide films
>use dyes.  B&W still uses good old fashioned silver
>halides.  In the B&W reversal (slide) process,

Interesting information, if "the current" range of standard B&W slide films
dont use dyes am I right to think they once did, I thought they had gone
over to using dye for even for for B&W slide film, because it diffused from
the site of the grains a little and "joined the dots" to produce a less
grainy image. They seem to have returned to an older process. What method
did Dia-Direct use ?

It was Phil Palmer who originaly inquired about converting old glass stereo
negatives to transparencies for projection so a negative image preferably in
a dye rather than a transparency  seems to be what is required such as the
one's you mentioned below I remember hearing or reading about such films now
but I had forgotten about them.
>
>B&W films do exist that use dyes as the final image (Ilford's
>XP2, or Kodak's T400CN & Portra B&W), but currently only as
>negative films.  These are processed in colour chemicals (Kodak
>C41 or equivalent), where ALL silver is bleached out of the
>emulsion, leaving only the dye layer(s) behind.

P.J.Homer




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Message: 3
   Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 09:36:30 EDT
   From: JNorman805@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Digest Number 543

Peter Davis  writes:


> Franka made a viewer which could hold 2x2 slides in a plastic holder.  You
> simply put one slide into each end of the plastic holder and you're off.
> I'm not sure if these are still available anywhere, but Reel-3D used to
> sell the viewer and boxes of the plastic holders.  These are probably too
> fat to go in a regular projector though.
>
>

Tried that.  Too fat and too tall.

Jim


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Message: 4
   Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:54:48 -0400
   From: Peter Davis <pd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: giga-pixels!

At 11:19 AM 4/7/2001, you wrote:
>I don't think any of today's major camera manufacturers has ever done
>a dedicated stereo camera.

Do you not count Kodak?

I think the biggest obstacle to stereo photography has always been mounting
and viewing, not the taking.  Digital stereo could solve these problems in a
number of ways.  For one thing, there's no processing or mounting to worry
about.  Also, there's a host of possible viewing apparatus, including LCD
goggles, "Virtual Boy" type left-right monitors, or even just a screen with
a lorgnette or View-Magic viewer.

I think all of the above would indeed help increase acceptence for digital
stereo photography.

-pd


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Message: 5
   Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 08:50:52 -0600
   From: "Dan Shelley" <dshelley@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Stereo Sun & NSA links...

Hi all,

One of the Astronomy Pictures of the Day this past weekend was a stereo
image of the Sun.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap010407.html

Cool thing is that there is a link to the NSA site, as well as mine
(althought to a page for the ex-3D web ring) in the text for the day. Might
just bring a few more people to the fold! =)

Dan Shelley
dshelley@xxxxxxxxxxxx



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Message: 6
   Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 15:35:51 -0000
   From: matmail2@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Digital stereo cameras


>
> I think the biggest obstacle to stereo photography has always
been mounting and viewing, not the taking.

I think the biggest obstacle currently is lack of consumer
awareness and interest.  The fact that the term "3D" has been
hijacked by the computer graphics world doesn't help, although
perhaps we'll see cameras designed to create web ready "3D"
models that can be adapted for use as true stereo imaging
devices.

 >Digital stereo could solve these problems in a number of
>ways.

The mind reels at the thought of what could be possible with a
dedicated digital stereo camera;  while previewing in stereo you
could decide how far apart to place the lenses, perhaps there
could be "auto-depth" settings as well as auto exposure.  Add a
few more lenses and you could print lenticulars on the spot.
Now all we need is a major manufacturer to sink some money
into the idea.   Jim Harp



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Message: 7
   Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 12:21:26 -0400
   From: Lee Moore <moore@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: 2x2x2 projection

I bought my twin-rig from a guy who would take his vertical 35mm pairs,
(i.e. those shot with the bases of the cameras touching) and
mount them in Franka mounts and then use a bandsaw to cut them to size.
Wow!

Lee


>>>Peter Davis said:
 > Franka made a viewer which could hold 2x2 slides in a plastic holder.
You s
     imply put one slide into each end of the plastic holder and you're off.
I
     'm not sure if these are still available anywhere, but Reel-3D used to
sel
     l the viewer and boxes of the plastic holders.  These are probably too
fat
      to go in a regular projector though.
 >
 > -pd



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Message: 8
   Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 09:42:38 -0700
   From: Rory Hinnen <Rory.Hinnen@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Jurassic 3D

Marshall Rubin wrote:
>
> i would recommend buying two cheap digitals just to play with and
> learn from.  but be careful--once you start using them, you'll be
> hooked!
>
> Rory Hinnen wrote:
> > I would love to experiment with a couple of digital cameras, but I
> > can't afford them at home.

When I made that statement, I withheld some information.

I have played with digital camera's (mostly other people's), but I
haven't linked any yet. What I've seen hasn't impressed me enough to
spend the money to buy a couple of digital cameras (I estimated I'd be
looking at $1200 - if I could convince my wife of that, it would be a
small jump to convince her of an RBT).

And really now, try to convince me that carrying a pair of linked
digital camera's are going to weigh less than a Realist. They're
certainly going to be bulkier (time for a BIG camera bag).

Also I have no interest in anaglyph or prints. I have a viewer, it is a
convenient means of displaying stereo, and fairly compact. If I had a
digital equivalent that didn't require carrying around a laptop
computer, I'd be interested.

Finally, as Mark Dottle pointed out, my Realist looks cool. I imagine if
I walked around with a linked digital pair, I would get stares but
little interest. Much to my wife's concern, my Realist has turned into a
real chick* magnet.

.r.

* my apologies to those who find the term "chick" offensive. I mean it
with the greatest respect.


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Message: 9
   Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 13:18:12 -0400
   From: Brian Reynolds <reynolds@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: giga-pixels!

Peter Davis wrote:
> At 11:19 AM 4/7/2001, you wrote:
> >I don't think any of today's major camera manufacturers has ever done
> >a dedicated stereo camera.
>
> Do you not count Kodak?
>

No, I don't.  Kodak is not a major (film) camera manufacturer today.
They make a lot of disposable, and some reusable cameras, but they're
not a company you think of when buying a camera.  Today's major camera
manufacturers are the various Japanese (Nikon, Canon, etc.) and
European (Leica, Hasselblad, etc.) companies.  Kodak got out of the
camera business a long time ago.  There is a segment of camera
manufacturing that American companies have a large share of, but I
don't think you're talking about large format cameras.

> I think the biggest obstacle to stereo photography has always been
> mounting and viewing, not the taking.  Digital stereo could solve
> these problems in a number of ways.  For one thing, there's no
> processing or mounting to worry about.  Also, there's a host of
> possible viewing apparatus, including LCD goggles, "Virtual Boy"
> type left-right monitors, or even just a screen with a lorgnette or
> View-Magic viewer.
>

I still think display is going to be a problem with digital (stereo or
mono).  If anything there are too many display options for digital
stereo and no standardization that would allow you to remain portable
across platforms.

By the way, there are no line breaks in your message.  I've
reformatted your text to lines less than 72 columns wide.  Hopefully I
haven't lost anything along the way.

--
Brian Reynolds                  | "Dee Dee!  Don't touch that button!"
reynolds@xxxxxxxxx              | "Oooh!"
http://www.panix.com/~reynolds  |    -- Dexter and Dee Dee
NAR# 54438                      |       "Dexter's Laboratory"


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Message: 10
   Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:20:38 -0700
   From: "John N. Dukes" <Zytel-Radak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Fw: NSA Regional Meeting

Bob Bloomberg asked me to pass this on. This meeting, a once-a-year
gathering at this stage, has been excellent, and I recommend it highly.
RSVP is definitely required. John D.
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> From: Robert Bloomberg <rgb3d@xxxxxxx>
> To: Zytel-Radak@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: NSA Regional Meeting
> Date: Friday, April 06, 2001 4:44 PM
>
> Dear NSA members & NSA wannabes,
>
> Happy to report that I've just received confirmation for this year's
> regional meeting site. For those who attended either of the last two
> meetings, it will be held in the same location, at the Kerner Co., 3210
> Kerner Blvd., San Rafael,  from 7:30-10:00 pm, Saturday, April 21st.
>
> If you plan to attend, you MUST RSVP to me either by email
(rgb3d@xxxxxxx)
> or phone (415-488-0458) to reserve your seat(s).  As space is limited we
may
> have to limit the number of non-NSA members, but we'll do our best to
> accommodate.
>
> The evening will feature the top three award-winning stereo theater shows
> from last year's NSA National Convention in Mesa, AZ. (It was a
California
> coup, with all three shows created by local Bay Area stereographers).
>
> In addition, as always,  we encourage members and guests to bring 10-12
> stereo slides of their own for Show & Tell.  Looking  forward to seeing
you
> on the 21st.
>
> Robert Bloomberg
> N. Calif. NSA Director
>
>
> DIRECTIONS to the meeting:
>
> FROM THE EAST BAY:  Cross the Richmond Bridge towards San Rafael and take
> the Francisco Blvd. East exit. At stop, make a right onto Bellam Blvd.,
then
> an immediate right again on the frontage road south on Francisco Blvd.
Turn
> left at the first stoplight, Irene Street, then left on Kerner Blvd. 3210
> Kerner will be on the right.
>
> FROM SF:  Take 101 North to the Francisco Blvd exit in San Rafael and
follow
> above directions.
>
> FROM 101 NORTH: Take the Highway 580/Richmond Bridge exit. At the light
turn
> left onto Bellam Blvd, and follow above directions.


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Message: 11
   Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 23:33:42 -0000
   From: 74226.607@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Hasselblad stereo?

An ad in this month's PSA shows a Hasselblad XPlan camera that takes
24 x 65mm images on the film!  How about the stereo and/or card
making opportunities with this camera.  It doen't do the typical
panoramic effect but creates a double size negative/slide.  If anyone
gets creative, give me a discount on the lens (for the idea).
Gene Mitofsky



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Message: 12
   Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 19:24:44 -0500
   From: Paul Talbot <list_post@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Hasselblad stereo?

[stereo with Hasselblad XPan]

Gene, some people are doing stereo with this camera.
I've been contacted by several XPan shooters with
questions about our stereo panoramic mount (designed
for use in a medium format stereo viewer).

The 24x65 format of the XPan is a little too wide for
comfortable side-by-side viewing;  most people would
have to diverge if there is some space between the left
and right images.  So you should plan to do some cropping
(which you would also have to do to set a stereo window).
You could use the back side of our panoramic mount for
side-by-side slide pairs of about 23x54.25.
http://rmm3d.com/supplies/spicer.mf.html

Viewing XPan stereo prints with the View Magic PV8x24
http://rmm3d.com/viewers/vm.8x24.html (not the basic
PV4000) would be an interesting experiment.  Anyone
here try that yet?

Paul Talbot


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Message: 13
   Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 20:58:51 EDT
   From: MARTZ3D@xxxxxxx
Subject: NSA 2001 Bus tours date mistake.

In a message dated 4/9/01 4:50:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jgood@xxxxxxxx
writes:

<< The online pdf file for convention registration has
 BUS TOURS MONDAY, JULY 24
 but Monday is the 23rd. Which is the correct date? If the tours
 are actually on Monday, participants have to forgo seeing most
 anything shown at the Adams Mark that day.  >>


OK you caught us, 3 people missed that date mistake. Yes, Monday is the
23rd.
We will not be able to change that to coincide with our form. So we will
simulate the date change. The Convention is all but over on Monday and the
only planned activity will be the tours. So you will not miss anything at
the
Hotel. Other than seeing me draped over a chair at the pool. Enjoying my new
title. (Past Chairman)   8-)

A more specific schedule will be posted soon. We will be having a meeting on
the 29th of April to get things finalized somewhat. The schedule really does
not change much from year to year If you check out last years Web site.
 <A HREF="http://www.dddesign.com/3dbydan/nsay2k/default.htm">Welcome to the
NSA Y2K Convention Web Site</A>
http://www.dddesign.com/3dbydan/nsay2k/default.htm

We don't have any workshop forms in yet and the Theater Times and shows will
not be set till very near the date. But many of the times well be close.
When
things get set we will post the information on our convention page.

 <A HREF="http://nsa2001.home.att.net/">NSA 2001 Convention</A>
http://nsa2001.home.att.net/

Hope this helps you.

Thank You
Marty Abramson
Chairman NSA 2001
"Shuffle off to Buffalo"


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Message: 14
   Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 23:29:52 -0400
   From: "Jay W. McGuire" <PigsOnTheWing@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Hasselblad stereo?

Paul,

> Gene, some people are doing stereo with this camera.
> I've been contacted by several XPan shooters with
> questions about our stereo panoramic mount

Do you happen to know how they're doing it? A specially made beam-splitter
attached to the front of the lens? The XPan has a panoramic
viewfinder...wouldn't it also require masking of the viewfinder to know what
you're actually taking a picture of?

Wouldn't it be nice if Nikon, Canon, Minolta, etc., came out with an actual
stereo camera? When you look at the limited market they have for some of
their already in production models (how many Hasselblad XPans are sold in a
year? or how many Canon EOS-D30s will be sold before they're
obsolete?)...you've got to wonder if they wouldn't be able to sell just as
many stereo cameras!

Regards,

Jay



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Message: 15
   Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 00:00:34 -0400
   From: "deadman@xxxxxxxxxx" <deadman@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Hasselblad stereo?


The X-Pan is a fine camera.  I've used it for panorama and also for
stereo pairs.  I have scanned in slides and printed Over-unders of
lower Manhattan up to 8x16+ At $2000 I doubt I will be twinning them
any time soon.
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From: 74226.607@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: photo-3d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
Subject: RE: [photo-3d] Hasselblad stereo?
Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 23:33:42 -0000

>An ad in this month's PSA shows a Hasselblad XPlan camera that takes
>24 x 65mm images on the film!  How about the stereo and/or card
>making opportunities with this camera.  It doen't do the typical
>panoramic effect but creates a double size negative/slide.  If
>anyone
>gets creative, give me a discount on the lens (for the idea).
>Gene Mitofsky
>
>
>
>
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Message: 16
   Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:47:35 -0500 (EST)
   From: penultimate@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Technical Enterprises...

Does the company still exist?  I couldn't find it anywhere on the web.
I'm interested in having my Nimslo modified so it will yield 36 stereo
pairs.

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