Re: Escaping the grey world - NOT!

[Don Roberts <droberts@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

As much as I enjoy teleological discussions, I would appreciate it if you would
continue this thread privately.  Off topic postings are too much of a problem
on most lists and this has the potential to be lengthy and perhaps heated.

Charles Andrew wrote:

> Of couse, I am an atheist.  I just can't believe that anyone could consider
> the first three
> comandments as truly inspired.  I did a lot of research on hallucinatory
> drugs and they
> were well known as far back as 5000 years ago (Eleusian Mysteries).  What
> you see
> in chuch is a chemist making an LSD deriviative  (You can read:  John
> Fuller's Book
> The Day of St. Anthony's Fire to explain the bread and the fish and so on.)
> Considering
> the times back then:  these drugs were thought to be something more than a
> drug experience and of course there was money in it.  The Maji, were
> magicians who had a whole range
> of drugs from mixing DMT from the local Acacia trees with the MAO inhibitor
> from
> Syrian Rue to make a very powerful experience.  John Allegro, who worked on
> the
> Dead Sea scrolls, wrote extensively that Christ was a mushroom, Amanita
> muscaria and
> he even found a drawing, but the deal was secrets.   So, as far as any real
> proof of
> an afterlife...there is none.  the Egyptian expriment failed....this is it.
> Let's make the
> best of it for everyone.   chuck
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <PBadcock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <infrared@xxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2000 7:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Escaping the grey world - NOT!
>
> >
> > Hi Chuck,
> >        it sounds like you're keen to stretch this out a bit.  At the risk
> > of chewing up bandwidth on an IR forum, I'll offer a more verbose reply.
> > Firstly my world view is different to yours in the sense that I'm a
> > Christian (and creationist)  rather than an evolutionist - I say this from
> > an observational point of view rather than a judgmental one of course.
> > Consequently I don't see the need to explain why traits exhibited in
> humans
> > have persisted through the ages using some derivative of the 'selfish gene
> > theory' or neo-darwinian logic.
> > Therefore my premise about the existence of creativity is that it has been
> > designed into us by God, both for our enjoyment and to reflect the
> > attributes of God (and glorify Him) as one who is creative.
> >
> > Unless others are interested in this thread, we should probably take any
> > further conversations off line to our direct addresses.  On that point ,
> > anyone feel free to email me personally about my world view and how
> > creativity fits in.
> >
> > regards
> > Peter
> >
> > pbadcock@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > All disclaimers claimed for the sake of my company.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >                     "Charles Andrew"
> >                     <candrewpsu@xxxx        To:     <infrared@xxxxx>
> >                     hlink.net>              cc:
> >                     Sent by:                Subject:     Re: Escaping the
> grey world -
> >                     owner-infrared@x        NOT!
> >                     1.nl
> >
> >
> >                     29/03/00 09:32
> >                     AM
> >                     Please respond
> >                     to infrared
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Well, my conjecture is that to explain jokes and art and other forms of
> > expression there
> > must be a BIOS that is part of our evolution and it is Biphasic.  Right
> now
> > we are in
> > a "survival mode" like a chipmunk chased up a tree, but he doesn't like it
> > and if he
> > were human he would make expressions of protest and hope that the threat
> > leaves so
> > he can get down and be comfortable.  It is an easy choice for a chipmunk,
> > because
> > there are no job opportunities or food up there, but even though we have
> to
> > lock doors
> > and all the rest we have found a way to live that frozen exisitance.  So,
> > change may do
> > us good, if we can relax and get a good nights sleep.  It is the only
> thing
> > that explains
> > why sharing feels good and not sharing feels bad....you can play with
> > it...it is just a
> > game.  You can look from both sides, too.  Chuck    There are concrete
> > examples
> > in chimps and you can look at the development of our brain from the limbic
> > system to
> > the inhibitory nature of the frontal cortex right now.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Hi Chuck,
> > >        thanks for clarifying.  In the lightest hearted manner possible
> > > (although not jokingly ;) ), I say, each to their own!
> > > regards
> > > Peter
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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