Computer Generated Slides

[P3D Derek Gee <73157.2172@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Bill Battle wrote:

>Derek, sorry to hear that you feel this way.  But... you are wrong.
>If some one is using a solid modeling program the maker has to
>carefully think out thier photos, where the lighting is, how intense
>the lighting is, where the shadows will cast, how the textures and
>surfaces of the subjet(s) will react to the lights, what color the
>lights are or should be,exposure, just not focus. or where to set
>the f-stop.  

Yes, but so does a painter.  That doesn't make a painting a photo
and that was precisely my point.  I didn't in any way want to
imply that you didn't have to take those things into account, but
your work is not pure photography, it's graphic art that's
converted to photography. (IMO)  

>It's rather distressing to read all of the negitive postings.
>I never knew that people were complaining about my competing,
>with computer stuff, at the DSS.  I enjoy entering and I get
>more images that score poor than well. (In fact I've faired 
>better at international contests placing 4 of 5 images that
>I have entered).I get four or five people every month who
>ask about how I do them.  They seem interested.  When I turn
>around do they mumble " there gos the neighborhood."? 
>(I really don't believe this)

I made my comments to point out from the officer's & other
club member's perspective just what the issues were.  I
realize that since you are one of two members actively doing
CG work that you may have felt it as a personal attack, but
it was not meant to be.  As I mentioned before, I thoroughly
enjoy the CG slides presented at the club, and have even made
my own CG title slides.  Members have complained that they 
don't have access to this type of equipment and others have
seriously asked if the CG slides conform to PSA guidelines.
We are a PSA club, and if we wish to remain so, we need to 
follow their rules.  I honestly believe that the complainers
are in the minority, but the officers can't ignore them,
particularly in regard to PSA guidelines.

>Predudice always stems from ignorance.  I beleive that if,
>these people who think that it's not a direct relation to
>Table Top photography only learned, a little, about it
>before passing judgement, thier opinions would differ.

I agree there is some resemblance to Table Tops, but there's an 
important difference, and that's taking the picture.  With CG
there is too much graphic art and not enough emphasis on the 
photographic process.

>I'm not mad just disapointed. I'll start educating with Dr. T,
>if he's willing.  Derek, if you would like to enlighten your
>knowledge, I will be honored to show you everything that I
>have to consider when I make a picture.  Then you can make
>an educated assesment of the difference between Table Top
>photography and 3-D photographic rendering.  Mabe I should do
>a demonstration for the DSS on how I do what I do?  Then they
>could make a responsible decision, if I should compete or just
>exibit. I would loose alot from not being judged with everyone
>else. It's hard to judge your own work. ( Derek, will I have
>to sit in the back of the theater this month?)

I personally would be interested in working with you on a slide.  I
think it would also be interesting to the club if you did a little
presentation at a future club meeting.  Explaining the process
will benefit everyone!  No one is rushing to exclude CG work from
competition, but investigation is taking place into PSA regs.  I
can't really predict what will happen.  Who knows, we might have
to draft guidelines for PSA?  (And no, you won't have to sit in
the back unless you'd like to learn projection or happen to like
the stretched depth effect you get from sitting in back.)

>Last but not least you need to decide what kind of photo shoot
>and dark room experiance that your going to take me on. (I feel
>like I won a photo shoot with Dr. T contest)  Because I'm
>planning on taking you up on your offer to teach me to use my
>realist.  In fact, I'm going t take my realist down to Dave's
>Camera Shop, for a tuneup, this week, to prepare for the event.  

Oooh, Oooh!  Private lessons with Dr. T.  Sounds like this should be
a prize for the NSA auction...  Glad to see you're branching out in
to other forms of 3-D, Bill!  With Dr. T as your guide and additional
help available at the Detroit Stereographic Society, I'm sure 
you'll be creating prize-winning slides with your Realist in no time!

                                Derek Gee

P.S.  No apology necessary for your previous post.  I had my flame-
      proof suit on!  (neener neener)




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